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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-07-2013, 12:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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Bad design choices/implementations

Other than the obvious things we complain about like Edge III trem or vulnerability of non volute mahogany necks (like vintage Gibsons), what do you consider bad designs on guitars/amps?

On well known amps, I am not fond of distortion channel on otherwise great Roland Jazz Chorus 120.
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100% agree on the JC120 distortion.. I never met a guy who used it. Mine didn't work correctly,, I never knew until I sold it b/c I never used that knob, and the guy buying didn't care either

also the LO-TRSII, I think most would call it garbage..
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Crate Amps!!!
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Crate Amps!!!
LOL I almost posted that!
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How about the bizarre "preset system" on the 1986 Proline PL1770 and PL2550?



Even it it weren't just completely weird, can you imagine those electronics holding up over time?
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http://media.techeblog.com/elephant/...8-450x-a_6.jpg

I suppose it's the thought that counts
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Top horn of parker guitars. They play great but if you sit and play one that top horn digs into you.

Also, I have trouble keeping a round back ovation from slipping away.
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Crate Amps!!!

Have you ever played through a Blue Voodoo BV300?? I own 5 of them. The NAMM duct tape one, 1 of 7 built for Sammy Hagar, Custom Shop built for Marty Friedman and two production models. I've also had soldanos, mesas, marshall, vht and so on. But the versatility I get from the BV300 is amazing. I will agree that there were some bad designed crate amps, but not all of them are bad.
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Have you ever played through a Blue Voodoo BV300?? I own 5 of them. The NAMM duct tape one, 1 of 7 built for Sammy Hagar, Custom Shop built for Marty Friedman and two production models. I've also had soldanos, mesas, marshall, vht and so on. But the versatility I get from the BV300 is amazing. I will agree that there were some bad designed crate amps, but not all of them are bad.
Well its official, Crate made 7 good amps!
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Well its official, Crate made 7 good amps!
I was thinking about bad designs, how about the reattempt of bringing back the kramer guitars started by musicyo.com?
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As far as a Floyd and these pickups, it's good in theory, but with truss rod and Floyd nut rout on a mahogany neck, it's a recipe for disaster. If the neck were maple, it would be way better and if the truss rod adjusted at the heel, even better yet.

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Other than the obvious things we complain about like Edge III trem or vulnerability of non volute mahogany necks (like vintage Gibsons), what do you consider bad designs on guitars/amps?

On well known amps, I am not fond of distortion channel on otherwise great Roland Jazz Chorus 120.
Ditto. I NEVER use the horrible distortion channels on my JC-120 or my JC-55, but then I don't use them for that anyway.
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Ditto. I NEVER use the horrible distortion channels on my JC-120 or my JC-55, but then I don't use them for that anyway.
The perfect amp would get the clean sparkle and chorus tones of the JC-120 and warm distortion tones of an overdriven tube amp but with modeling amps we can probably get close representations of both those sounds in one amp.

But I still don't know why Roland wasn't able to build a better distortion effect. Other solid state amps had some pretty decent distortion but the JC-120 was just weak on that and a shock for the high price tag.
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I agree with moebius on the ovation round back.its probably just because I'm fat though
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Now I want a PL1880WN. Anybody have one?
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