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Hey everyone (wasn't really sure where to post this so move it accordingly)

I've recently been into Guthrie Govan a lot and was checking out his guitar models and such. The biggest thing that's sparked my interest is the concept of "baking" or "carmelizing" the neck in order to make it more resonant as well as much more stable.

I was wondering if there was anybody with any objections to this process. I can't foresee any issues with it, and I was wondering if anybody had come across any Ibanez models with this.

Especially with the rather thin profile Ibanez necks that tend to move a lot with changing weather and humidity, I wondered if in anybodies opinion it would be an idea Ibanez was open to.
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Ibanez is way ahead of you [but way behind Suhr]. They've been exploring putting this into production for awhile now. Only time will tell.
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Hey everyone (wasn't really sure where to post this so move it accordingly)

I've recently been into Guthrie Govan a lot and was checking out his guitar models and such. The biggest thing that's sparked my interest is the concept of "baking" or "carmelizing" the neck in order to make it more resonant as well as much more stable.

I was wondering if there was anybody with any objections to this process. I can't foresee any issues with it, and I was wondering if anybody had come across any Ibanez models with this.

Especially with the rather thin profile Ibanez necks that tend to move a lot with changing weather and humidity, I wondered if in anybodies opinion it would be an idea Ibanez was open to.
I've been to Guthrie Govan clinics....saw him real up close.....great tone for sure.
I've also seen Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert and Joe Satriani at clinics too, as with Guthrie,
real up close, not once did it strike me that these guys 'individual' tone was coming from
what kind of neck they were playing on, in this case only Guthrie was playing with a baked
neck but he still sounded like Guthrie.......put him on Gilberts maple neck...he'll still sound like Guthrie and nobody else. I'd focus more on developing your own sound rather than some
in vogue luthiery technique that may be just a marketing ploy to get you to spend several more hundred dollars on an already overpriced bespoke custom shop guitar. Just my 2C.
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I've been to Guthrie Govan clinics....saw him real up close.....great tone for sure.
I've also seen Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert and Joe Satriani at clinics too, as with Guthrie,
real up close, not once did it strike me that these guys 'individual' tone was coming from
what kind of neck they were playing on, in this case only Guthrie was playing with a baked
neck but he still sounded like Guthrie.......put him on Gilberts maple neck...he'll still sound like Guthrie and nobody else. I'd focus more on developing your own sound rather than some
in vogue luthiery technique that may be just a marketing ploy to get you to spend several more hundred dollars on an already overpriced bespoke custom shop guitar. Just my 2C.
Im more interested in it as a stabilizer for necks. If it's truly the baked maple neck that keeps guthries neck stable and unmoving as he says it does, then I'd be very interested in it, since here in the east coast the weather can change drastically sometimes. I've never liked messing with the neck

That, and stainless steel frets
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I'd love to have the time to inflict enough wear on a guitar so as to need stainless steel frets. Normal ones work just fine for me
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I think (baked, roasted, toasted, smoked) maple is one of the greatest things to happen to electric guitars in the last 20 years. I also think it's RIDICULOUS what companies are charging for it considering how cheap it is to do. Vaccuum ovens have been around and available for ages.
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Im more interested in it as a stabilizer for necks. If it's truly the baked maple neck that keeps guthries neck stable and unmoving as he says it does, then I'd be very interested in it, since here in the east coast the weather can change drastically sometimes. I've never liked messing with the neck

That, and stainless steel frets
That would really be where the benefit would lie and if it worked then great for sure.
I've imported several guitars from humid regions of the USA before and the necks
needed a good bit of adjustment on arrival here in the UK. Tonally....I dunno....obviously
your pickups and rig etc are gonna have the biggest impact there but if it does have some
impact on resonance/sustain then that's great also. I've played a few Suhr guitars with those
necks but not for long enough to really form an in depth opinion on then. They do look killer as well though.
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Im more interested in it as a stabilizer for necks. If it's truly the baked maple neck that keeps guthries neck stable and unmoving as he says it does, then I'd be very interested in it, since here in the east coast the weather can change drastically sometimes. I've never liked messing with the neck

That, and stainless steel frets
I LOVE stainless steel frets. My Carvin has em, they are so awesome.
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That would really be where the benefit would lie and if it worked then great for sure.
I've imported several guitars from humid regions of the USA before and the necks
needed a good bit of adjustment on arrival here in the UK. Tonally....I dunno....obviously
your pickups and rig etc are gonna have the biggest impact there but if it does have some
impact on resonance/sustain then that's great also. I've played a few Suhr guitars with those
necks but not for long enough to really form an in depth opinion on then. They do look killer as well though.
Stainless frets do add to the brightness of the guitar. Watch Jeff Diamant on Tone King's guitar gear tech talk from this past weekend, Jeff really explains tone well in that episode.
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I have two Suhrs with roasted maple necks and I love them. They feel great, sound great and I happen to love the way roasted maple looks. It would be awesome if Ibanez did this. I would buy an AT100 with a roasted maple neck in an instant. SS frets would be great too.
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Im more interested in it as a stabilizer for necks. If it's truly the baked maple neck that keeps guthries neck stable and unmoving as he says it does, then I'd be very interested in it, since here in the east coast the weather can change drastically sometimes. I've never liked messing with the neck

That, and stainless steel frets
Of my two Suhrs, one doesn't seem to need any adjustment from season to season, but the other does. So it might just depend on the specific piece of wood.
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I've been to Guthrie Govan clinics....saw him real up close.....great tone for sure.
Same here. I've been right in front of him, about 1m away from him on his clinics. His tone is good, but I can't say it's "great"... the thing is that his technique is so refined, that he can make anything sound great. His tone sounded just "OK" to me.
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I recently had an EBMM Luke 3 that was one of the PDN units in blue. It had the roasted maple neck and fretboard. A beautiful guitar. The neck moved just as much as any of my other guitars.
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I recently had an EBMM Luke 3 that was one of the PDN units in blue. It had the roasted maple neck and fretboard. A beautiful guitar. The neck moved just as much as any of my other guitars.
There is a difference between roasted/baked and smoked. smoked maple has the look of roasted, but not the same mechanical properties. smoked wood is, well, smoked for a shorter time at lower temperatures and without a vaccuum. It only carmelizes the sugars in the wood on the surface. A truly baked piece of maple will be carmelized all the way through. the hardened sugars are what make the neck more rigid and therefore more stable. A smoked neck will only be marginally more stable than a standard neck.
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I'd love to have the time to inflict enough wear on a guitar so as to need stainless steel frets. Normal ones work just fine for me
They are kind of nice for bending I find. I'm cool with normal frets as well but if I can get stainless then I always opt for them.
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