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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-23-2006, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
 
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Is this common for a PGM30?

I bought a PGM30 off fleabay about 2 years ago for a really good deal cause the clearcoat was peelin off the f-holes. I played it a little at first and it needed a setup, but soon slipped it into the closet because of other guitars I bought. Recently I have sold just about everything except this PGM because my roomate ended up with it and I kind of forgot about it. Anyways, I took off the neck to do some pocket sanding cause the neck wasnt sitting level. When I took it off, its painted a metallic red in the pocket . Next I took off all the covers and under the trem its painted the same sparkle red. Same deal with the plates on the back, its all red sparkle finish. The red paint looks real high quality and not cheap. Next I pulled out the pickups to see if any model numbers were there and found none. The plates are waxed, but no numbers. The neck is definetly original, but as far as the body goes, I have no clue. Heres a picture of the paint:

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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

Very odd - the routing is right - I'd say your guitar is a bit of a bitser.......
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

Have you scraped any of the red off to see if there's another coat of paint under it? The only CA red, tremolo equiped, PGM is the 400. But, it has a vintage style, two point non locking tremolo. I'm assuming this does have a lo trs, locking tremolo. --Jason
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

Under the red is wood, and it does have the lo trs which is being replaced by an edge this week. Got one off the bay for $48. I did a fret job today and leveled everything, so even if its a mystery, the guitar sounds and plays amazingly. The weird thing too, is the center pu is actually a pretty high output like a chopper I had on another RG. The red paint in the neck pocket looked alot like the red CA, the picture doesnt show how it really looks in person. Im startin to think it was a factory screw up and was painted first for a 400 or 500. Another thing too, is the neck had some epoxy on the edge as if it wasnt a perfect fit.
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Another thing too if anyone knows, is there a way to tell if its alder wood versus basswood by visual?
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

not with several layers of paint on it ;^)

Alder is usually darker, grainier and has strange sort of striations like worming across it - Basswood has a nondescript pale even grain, often with strange greenish tints to the wood - neither really qualify as "pretty" timbers!
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

Heres what I found under the f hole, so now I am assuming the entire guitar was once red. The guy I bought it from put the gold trem on it.

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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

Crazy stuff, were the trems even gold on those things? I don't think so. Almost sounds as though it's one that somebody has cobbled together because the F-holes certainly shouldn't peel off like that.
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Under the red is wood, and it does have the lo trs which is being replaced by an edge this week.
an edge is too big for a lo-trs, you're going to have to do some routing etc. if you want that to fit.
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

As far as I'm aware the f-holes on a PGM are made with spray (ie masked off in the painting process) and they aren't stick on decals that peel off.
I think you need to investigate further as this guitar seems to be one of those "partsocaster" jobs.

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As far as I'm aware the f-holes on a PGM are made with spray (ie masked off in the painting process) and they aren't stick on decals that peel off.
I think you need to investigate further as this guitar seems to be one of those "partsocaster" jobs.

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The holes were painted black and I removed what was left because it was chipped and the white underneath was staring to show. I was originally going to get some abolone sheets and do an inlay in the holes.
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As far as I'm aware the f-holes on a PGM are made with spray (ie masked off in the painting process) and they aren't stick on decals that peel off.
That's what I thought, plus the fact that it'd of been clear coated anyway. And again, a little research shows the TRS trem was black not gold. This sucks for you mate, I'm not 100% saying it's a fake or anything but it's starting to look that way.

But who cares about that if it's a good axe?
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

The thing is, who knows what goes on in the Korean factory? Maybe they painted it the wrong color at first, maybe someone who worked there was doing a self custom and got caught then arrested, who knows, there could be a million explanations, they don't exactly have the best quality control in some of those places - I've seen it in the Korean factory for the company I work for.

It certainly looks like a legit Ibanez body from the pics, the fake ones you see on evilbay are obviously different. I got a PGM30 before with a crappy string thru TRS thingy, so people change the bridges on those all the time. They are INF pups and cosmo pups rings, so those things are correct. I say just strip the whole thing and make yourself a unique guitar out of it, or do what you were saying, do an inlay f-hole, that would be pretty cool.
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

No, that is not common for a PGM30.
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Re: Is this common for a PGM30?

When you took the neck off, was the whole neck pocket area painted, or was the center part natural where a model number stamp would originally go? I've got a theory. Rarely, when one is repainted does that area get masked back off. If that was all painted, I'd be willing to bet that the original white paint was stripped, and the body was resprayed CA red. Then, either because of a painting disaster, or the original owner changed their mind and wanted it white again, it was painted white without stripping the red paint. But like Dave said, who knows what could have happened at the factory. Has the headstock been refinished too? Maybe signs of red under the lock nut, or tuner washers? Does it have a MIK or MIJ serial number? --Jason
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