Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer? - Jemsite
All Other Guitars (including Prestige) Discussion about other Ibanez Guitars not covered in the above topics. Includes J-Custom, USA-Custom, Prestige subforum.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 09:39 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 275
Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer?

I know, that RGA and RGT are not really "unfinished", but still, they don't feature such a thick layer of paint and laquer; in my rather limited experience they seem to bit a bit more resonant, and have a bit more "air" to the tone , so to speak.

Is it true, or am I fooled just by the lack of..umm, lack of paint and lacquer? :-)

Edit: sorry for the mangled thread title

Last edited by LowYaw; 01-27-2015 at 03:30 AM.
LowYaw is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 09:54 AM
 
JayRobIBZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 534
Reviews: 3
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

In my opinion it does make a noticable difference.
JayRobIBZ is offline  
post #3 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 10:11 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 275
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

hey hey there are two of us
let's get more proof!
LowYaw is offline  
post #4 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Jaden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 2,465
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

no doubt about this - YES
Jaden is offline  
post #5 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Canberra, Australia
Posts: 1,055
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

fender started painting thinner coats on their strats a while ago to let the guitars "breathe" more and sound better so i dunno. probably.
Homebake is offline  
post #6 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 2,561
Reviews: 34
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

I feel that unfinished/oiled guitars do sound better.

I have a paduak body that I made and it sounds extremely good.

I am going to try a soft wax finish (or whatever it's called) next on a walnut body I am working on. I may stain it blue (depending on how that looks) and then polish the wax to give as glossy a finish as poss.
nickcoumbe is offline  
post #7 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 328
Reviews: 57
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

No finish, or a thin finish, definitely can make a guitar resonate better than a thick finish. Though, there plenty of great sounding guitars that have a thick finish too. It not just one thing or another, the tone is the sum of all the guitars parts.
blackspy is offline  
post #8 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Italia
Posts: 4,725
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickcoumbe View Post
I have a paduak body that I made and it sounds extremely good.
sure it does but it doesn't count by itself unless you make a comparison between the same body either thick-finished and unfinished (same strings etc.). that's the only way to determine if a thick poly finish would affect the volume and the tone of a guitar. and of course you have to play it unplugged and with the same strings, action, pick etc. and check with a spectrograph or some audio device of sort.
nuno is offline  
post #9 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-29-2010, 11:28 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 275
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

i come to a conclusion that this can be the reason why i liked but never loved RGs prior to stumbling upon the RGT220; I attributed all the sheer liveliness and vibrancy to set-neck construction; but after getting an RGA, I do believe the paint/lacquer thing does influence tone.

i also played a Strat, which was all sanded down to wood, pre and post refinishing:
the difference is subtle, but the notes seem to sort of "spread out" in broader spectrum; the attack is livelier; and you can call me stupid, but unfinished guitars seem to sound less "modern" somehow, though I think it's a really subjective opinion.
LowYaw is offline  
post #10 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-09-2010, 03:43 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: clarksburg wv
Posts: 90
Reviews: 2
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

Maybe, but that doesn't seem to be the right question. The variables that affect the resonance - and hence the sound - of a guitar are many and diverse. e.g. what wood is the body made of - mahagony, swamp ash, maple, ebony, basswood ... - or the neck, or the fingerboard - and is the body one piece, or 3 or 4? And does it have a cap, and is it flat, carved or tapered like an S? Solid, hollow or semi-hollow? Is the bridge fixed or a trem? Plastic, ivory or metal nut? Set neck, bolt neck or through body? What pickups are you dealing with - 'buckers or single coils or both - PAF or Evos, noiseless or lace sensors? Are the strings light or heavy guage, coated or uncoated? Do you use a pick or your fingers? Any of those factors could, and probably will, affect the sound of the guitar more than the finish. Assuming you are talking about a solid body guitar, if the ONLY thing that you change is the finish, the unfinished version may sound marginally different from the finished version. My kid has 3 Ibanezes one oiled S5470, a PGM 301 and a Jem 77 - two thick finishes, one unfinished, and they all sound great, but all sound different from one another. Easiest, cheapest way to affect resonance is change your strings. Go to a few stores and try all the different iterations out and have a great time doing it.

Last edited by lwchafin; 02-09-2010 at 03:48 PM. Reason: Another thought occurred to me
lwchafin is offline  
post #11 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-11-2010, 11:39 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: YK
Posts: 482
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

"The original Gibson Silverburst Les Paul Custom was manufactured between 1978-1985 however was famously discontinued by Gibson due to complaints about the finish flaking and altering the tone of the guitar."
saw this in an article about adam jones setup. Could be true? I can't confirm
-Rhaab is offline  
post #12 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-12-2010, 02:12 AM
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 420
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

i doubt that i can hear a difference.
Ibanized is offline  
post #13 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-12-2010, 02:22 AM
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 780
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

I have tried the same body (guitar) with and without finish and it does make a difference in sound. I would not say that one is better than the other, just different (some ¨have I felt was better with finish and some without).

I think the difference is big enough that anyone who has some guitar experience (and working ears) would hear the difference.

Like someone already said, you wont hear the difference unless you A/B test the same guitar with and without.

/Magnus
Ibanez-Mag is offline  
post #14 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-14-2010, 07:52 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 955
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

Yeah I reckon it does affect the tone, but is not the ultimate decider. I've got an RG321BKF and S320WK and they both breathe nicely, according to my senses.
NeglectedField is offline  
post #15 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-06-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Romania, Bucharest
Posts: 23
Re: Do unfinished guitars (a-las RGA121) sound different the those with thick lacquer

Let me help here: I once got an Ibanez s320wk with SD JB in bridge. Got such a good sound that I always wanted to go back to it after selling the guitar. It sounded perfectly like a Gibson SG on all SG recorded songs such as AC/DC, Black Sabbath ones. It had resonance and crunchy riffige that made me do all kinds of r'n'roll faces while playing.

After an RG 2550z prestige with evos that sounded too Vai like (great for solo, no riffage material), I managed to get an Ibanez S1625tks, put the same JB Jazz pups...but nothing Ok...some balls and crunch, but not that aggressive as the 320wk. Of course, the guitar is better built and sounds cleaner on each fret, but the balls are out.

I blame it on the lacquer.
Treishtrei is offline  
Reply

Tags
finish , rga , rgt

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Polyurethane lacquer in EU for JEM? Metallion Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 0 07-16-2009 09:37 AM
Lacquer or tung/tru oil blackspaven Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 6 06-26-2007 09:34 PM
Les Paul Sound with RGA121 (Neck Pickup)? Joenobo Pickups & wiring 7 01-07-2007 01:46 AM
Why does used guitars sound better than brand new ones? Ralph khoury Ibanez JEM, UV, JS & Other Signature Models 60 06-10-2004 07:47 PM
sound clips of ibz guitars Pee All Other Guitars (including Prestige) 0 10-28-2002 08:36 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome