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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-10-2013, 07:16 PM Thread Starter
 
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Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

Has anyone done this switch and is it something that is easy to swap? There are a couple of things I'm not crazy about in regards to the standard bridge and I'm thinking the Wilkinson might be my answer to those issues.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

I guess do a measurement of the stud spacing and if it falls in line with the specs of the Wilkinson go with it.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

The stud spacing seems to line up, but I'm wondering if I'll be able to get away with using the stock studs or if by chance the existing inserts have the same threading as the Wilkinson studs. I'm being a giant wuss about putting the new inserts in as it's gonna take some drilling.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

Just use the stock studs if you are worried. They should be fine.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

I've done this mod. BIG thing to watch out for - the stock studs on the RT have some kind of glue or epoxy holding them in, and some of it comes over the top edge of the stud, which essentially makes the hole smaller at the top. You need to drill this out a little bit first. A reamer would be the best solution.

I didn't realise this and tore a huge chunk of wood out. I thought it was because I had pulled too quickly, and managed to also do the same on the 2nd stud when pulling the stud very slowly. It was only when I got the old studs out that I was able to inspect them and see what had happened. Managed to glue the chunks back in, they weren't too deep luckily, and now the trem is in place.

The stock studs are slightly smaller than the Wilkinsons, so you won't be able to re-use the Ibanez bushings with the Wilkinson studs. I had to swap mine as my stock studs actually were pretty badly scarred. The stock RT bridge appears to be made of a very hardened material. The studs were wrecked, the knife edges looked brand new.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

Got lucky and the stock bushings in mine as they matched up quite nicely with the Wilkinson studs. My RT now sports a new trem and a set of Dimarzio Gravity Storms with a Jem single coil in the middle. This may now be the perfect guitar for me!

Next on the list is dropping the stock tuners. I'm just not a fan of that locking mechanism.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

Lets see some pictures!

Not a fan of the Gotoh locking tuners? I've had them a little while in a stray I built. I stuffed around doing the wrong thing when restringing. Moronic me was trying to lock them with a coin when putting new strings in when all I had to do was start turning the tuning keys!

The Gotohs are the best options as far as I can see since they have a far better tuning ratio than Sperzals and the like. They are less bulk too.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

My first experience trying to change a string with the Gotohs was on a darkened stage ducked down behind an amp. It didn't go well and I think that may have colored my opinion of them.

I prefer the thumblock style locking tuners. My first exposure to them were Sperzels on an ESP strat that a friend owned. Not the biggest Sperzel fan, but the Schallers that are on my Strat have a decent gear ratio and feel quite nice, so i may try something from them.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

Fair enough then.

Again, any pictures?
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

I'm considering replacing the TZ tremolo that came in my 1991 542r (which is the same as the RT650), i'm thinking about a wilkinson too.

What should I consider when buying? I read all the above but can't really come to a conclusion...
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

I did the exact swap -- put a black Wilkinson VS100 into a 542R. Conclusion? Wasn't worth it -- the original TZ worked and sounded just as good. That's a good trem, the studs, edges and saddles are all well built, and I never had any tuning problems with the TZ.
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

Strat,
thanks for the feedback (we always have the Radius in common!), but the trem I got with this 542r is in not-great condition.
There is WAY TOO MUCH sweat on the saddle screws that the L key won't go in a few of them. I soaked them in white spirit and brushed them around as I usually do, but no luck.

I know the TZ is quite ok, but not being able to adjust the height is quite ****ty. I could also think of just replacing the saddles, if that makes sense.

Indeed, i find the bridge in my 542 quite ok. When I disassembled it all, i noticed the block is quite big, much bigger than I see on the edge/lo pro...dont remember bout the one in my RT though
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

I was looking into the option of changing just the bridge saddles and found some cheap options:
9 eur for these "roller" ones, which could be interesting just to try: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-x-Roller...73129316&rt=nc

or get one simple replacement one from ebay for 2-3 eur...
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Re: Ease of installing a Wilkinson VS100 on an banez RT650

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Got lucky and the stock bushings in mine as they matched up quite nicely with the Wilkinson studs.
Me too - I picked up a 650 and did a direct swap and is very impressive.

However i have since put a VS100 into a Strat with the correct studs and it has far greater sustain ( yes may be other factors with this.... but the difference is very noticeable)
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