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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-06-2007, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
 
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Edge III trems

Ok, well I sold my Epi LP (bloody g.a.s) and I'm wanting a guitar with a locking trem as I hate it when I use the bar on my fender and it goes out of tune from doing EVH tricks

Although I'm trying to decide if I want to get a valveking first, or another guitar

I was going to get a Kramer, but haven't got a visa card at the moment so that will have to wait for another 8 months.

I'm currently looking to try out some ibanez guitars (RG320, 350dx and 370) and maybe a Jackson Dinky or Kelly.

I had an Ibanez RG27SP last year and got rid of it after 2 weeks of owning it due to having problems with the lo-trs trem that was on it. When using the bar, the 2nd and 3rd string went sharp & out of tune.

what are the edge III and pro trems like? hows the tuning stability of them?

Also, Is there a way to block the trem from pulling up..like a trem setter etc? I only prefer to dive the bar down.
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Re: Edge III trems

A tremol-no would allow you to put it in "dive mode" and revert back to full floating position in less than 5 minutes (so the claim states). The Edge Pro is the nicest out of the 3 new trems in terms of stability.

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Edge III AND Lo-TRS have damn near perfect tuning stability if you set the angle right and have your string claw straight
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Edge III AND Lo-TRS have damn near perfect tuning stability if you set the angle right and have your string claw straight
Neither of those trems are set an an angle like the Edge, Lo-Pro, or Edge Pro.

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well for one the edge iii requires an angle not dissimilar to the original edge, and by trem angle i mean how it is compared to the top of the guit. Read rich's tech section.
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That would be incorrect. The Edge III (as shown in the picture below, along with the comment from Rich's site) has a flat base and does not require an angle:

OFR / TRS TYPE

"On the Floyd Rose type trem with a flat baseplate the knife edges are part of the baseplate itself. On a flat top guitar the baseplate will be parallel to the top as shown below."



And here's a pic of the TRSII for reference.



The reason why it seems that the Edge III requires an angle is because the trem itself is given an angled look to mimic the original design of the Edge. "Based on the original Edge, evidently for "feel", it's definitely EPII based in construction. Note the lack of exposed knife edges meaning it's a knife plate like the EPII, and it shares the same arm holder system as the EPII. What is different is the hump tail design and the saddle string lock design." (http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/2006/rg.htm)

I rest my case.

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Does that mean Edge III's can retrofit TRS's?? That sounds like good idea if I ever happen to get a TRS/floyd guitar, cause I like the "feel" the edges/EP's have with the raised sides
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so do the edge pro's have to be on an angle?

I'm just not that great with setting up guitars. I remember last year after I had my Ibanez set up by my local music store, the guitar wasn't staying in tune with bar use. I guess thats probably from not being on an angle?
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can we plz get rich to voice in on this, because i'm completely dumbfounded why ibanez would have a hole in the spring cavity cover for the bar height, which lines up perfectly when my edge iii is set at the angle i described with the part w/ Ibanez stamped into it parallel to the guitar's top.
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the bottom of base plate needs to be parallel to the top of the guitar, not the top of it, so when it's set up right it "appears" to have an angle to it
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here we go, i have covered this umpteen thousand times on ibanez forums....






its not the best trem in the world, it will eventually wear out on me, but for now its serving its purpose and you dont have the cool kid features like the edge,lo, and pro ones with an exposed knife window so you have to eyeball it, but the plate is definately parallel to the bottom of the baseplate, not the top and so like the edge and lo ones, you have a slight protuding angle of the top of the plate sticking up, not much but it is supposed to angle up like that

every single one of these has been setup with the top of things parallel like the edge pro and II ones in any shop i have taken a look at when tuned up to pitch, is it non stretched strings... or just misinformed inspection techs or whatever, dunno but I have found it to be perfectly stable and return to pretty close pitch everytime setting as close as possible to the bottom of it parallel to the body, not the top, that would return much worse, i should mention i swapped the stock springs for less stiffer ones off a fender and now I like the way it feels, it just needs some tlc, im afraid its been getting a bad rap because of bad setups honestly, is everyone now just in set it like the edge pro and II mode now???? dunno, im actually planning to attend Ibanez Dayz in houston where they are restring and setting up for free by ibanez techs, i plan to ask this very question what thier take is as I cant tell you how many topics contain this very subject on thier official forums they seem to ignore

YMMV as always but I spent a great deal of time dialing my guitar in and Im very happy with it

sorry this is a rant I have had for a while over on the ibanez forums, same thing with the whole LO TRS II rant, grrrr if people would just learn the facts, other than the crappy Korean II TRS trems, all the others are not that bad being Japanese made by Takeuchi, but I just get tired of hearing all TRS trems suck and swap for the OFR blah blah blah thing

not everyone can afford the best and you make do with what you got

ok rants off sorry
had to interject my 2 cents here

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thank you jeremy, you cleared things up with that side shot.
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That would be incorrect. The Edge III (as shown in the picture below, along with the comment from Rich's site) has a flat base and does not require an angle:

OFR / TRS TYPE

"On the Floyd Rose type trem with a flat baseplate the knife edges are part of the baseplate itself. On a flat top guitar the baseplate will be parallel to the top as shown below."



And here's a pic of the TRSII for reference.



The reason why it seems that the Edge III requires an angle is because the trem itself is given an angled look to mimic the original design of the Edge. "Based on the original Edge, evidently for "feel", it's definitely EPII based in construction. Note the lack of exposed knife edges meaning it's a knife plate like the EPII, and it shares the same arm holder system as the EPII. What is different is the hump tail design and the saddle string lock design." (http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/2006/rg.htm)

I rest my case.

Jimmy
whats funny was you sold yourself on it, its clearly a seperate knife plate, now unfortunately this can happen to you as well



that is the result of someone overtightening a saddle screw so it is made of a cheaper blend of metal unfortunately...
but unlike the TRS picture you provided before it does prove that the knife plate is seperate and in the pics of mine from the underside you can clearly see its not the case you stated before sir, its not angled to just give the appearance of the original edge, it is in fact a 2 piece design, sadly Ibanez at least not yet doesnt sell the plates that im aware of, aftermarket opportunity for someone? anyhow

i rest my case
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Re: Edge III trems

Damn Jeremy, you need to learn how to use that camera!

Try Macro mode for that kind of close ups next time.
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sorry sir, i try, it aint the best digicam in the world, and its not mine either, i just borrow it when i need to for something
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