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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-28-2013, 09:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

Hey Guys. I went to the ESP website and they are using premium for a line of the LTD guitars they have, and their made in the Japanese factories.. I think that's what Ibanez should have done, being that I bet these aren't that much more expensive than the Ibanez premiums. I'll have to look at these ESP's.

Anyone have one of the new ESP Premiums/ If so, what do you think of it.. I have GAS for one now big time..
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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-28-2013, 09:29 PM
 
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Re: ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

They are barely anymore than the Ibanez Premium stuff and probably play a lot better. To be honest I think the prices Ibanez is charging for the premiums to be absolutely hilarious and can't believe people pay for it.
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They are barely anymore than the Ibanez Premium stuff and probably play a lot better. To be honest I think the prices Ibanez is charging for the premiums to be absolutely hilarious and can't believe people pay for it.
This... If I paid that much for a new guitar I would not expect to have to do a complete fret level and setup to get it to play like it costs. Every premium I've played seems like it needs a ton of work on it to actually BE premium
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post #4 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-28-2013, 10:39 PM
 
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If i pay that sort of money for an Ibanez it needs to be a real made in Japan ibby....kudos to ESP for getting it right with these.
BUT....honestly though,they should of had ESP on the headstock not LTD...they're made in Japan.
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I agree with most of these replies, but you know. I would rather have it say ESP on the headstock, but more important, at least it says "Made in Japan" on it. Or, I'm guessing it does.. I'd think so. I've heard both good and bad on the Premium lines of Ibanez. I've always thought the one bad thing about Ibanez is that they do whatever they can to keep the prices of their MIJ guitars really high and brag about their less quality guitars and have way too much PR about the same, but, hey, they are a company that's supposed to make money. End the end, it's up to us players to buy what we think is right, etc..
You know, Gibson has some killer guitars that are made in the US now that don't have all the binding and stuff, but still sound great and have PLEK machined frets and nuts, etc.. If you've not played a PLEK made neck, you've not lived..hehe.. Killer guitars for killer money.. I think they've really thought about competing with the MIJ guitars.. etc, .. I don't know why I'd buy a Korean guitar especially or Indonesian guitar when I can buy the US made guitar that's much better and about the same price, or a little more. There are those that hate America of course that say Gibsons aren't good, but I think they've more than set a standard, especially of late.. But, that's just my two cents.. You know what they say about those.. hehe..
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post #6 of 32 (permalink) Old 04-02-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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Those ST's are pretty neat and looks like they are making a few in lefty so I'll give them props for that.
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post #7 of 32 (permalink) Old 04-03-2013, 06:31 AM
 
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Re: ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

I think all the LTDs should say ESP on the headstock. They could be like Ibanez and Jackson and call the product something akin to the name of the company.

Right now, if looking at their popular Viper or Eclipse line, the Viper 10/50/100 is somewhat like our GRG, the 200/300/400 like RG, 1000 Deluxe line is almost like our RG Premiums, LTD Elite like our RG Prestige, and ESP Standards and Customs like our RG J Customs.

For the price of an LTD Elite, I would still save a little bit more and buy an Ibanez Prestige even though the Elites probably play and sound as well as our Prestige line. Also for the price of an LTD Elite, you could get a high end Fender Deluxe Stratocaster or Gibson Midtown Custom. ESP should have at least used the ESP logo on the LTD Elite line.
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They are barely anymore than the Ibanez Premium stuff and probably play a lot better. To be honest I think the prices Ibanez is charging for the premiums to be absolutely hilarious and can't believe people pay for it.
I agree.
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I think all the LTDs should say ESP on the headstock. They could be like Ibanez and Jackson and call the product something akin to the name of the company.

Right now, if looking at their popular Viper or Eclipse line, the Viper 10/50/100 is somewhat like our GRG, the 200/300/400 like RG, 1000 Deluxe line is almost like our RG Premiums, LTD Elite like our RG Prestige, and ESP Standards and Customs like our RG J Customs.

For the price of an LTD Elite, I would still save a little bit more and buy an Ibanez Prestige even though the Elites probably play and sound as well as our Prestige line. Also for the price of an LTD Elite, you could get a high end Fender Deluxe Stratocaster or Gibson Midtown Custom. ESP should have at least used the ESP logo on the LTD Elite line.
+1 on using ESP logo instead of LTD.
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+1 on using ESP logo instead of LTD.
Also while I think it's a great idea to use "ESP" on all products, maybe on their behalf they want to build the LTD brand name, too. I know Fender and Kaman have a ton of names under their umbrella but they keep the names (many of them at least) separate.

I know for a long time Epiphone was always the less expensive brand of Gibson and their products never crossed over into the Gibson price territory. But now with LTD Elite approaching ESP prices and in some cases matching them (ESP M1 for example), maybe they are going to make LTD lines go well into ESP price territory like Epiphone/Gibson in their blurring of prices in last few years. The Epiphone John Lennon Casino special edition is the most expensive guitar in the Gibson and Epiphone catalog save the Gibson Super 400, and the Epiphone Coronet custom shop model is more expensive than most Gibsons.

Even though there is little evidence to uphold the USA superiority theory anymore, people still think that made in USA is always better. We know better here on jemsite, but maybe a Japanese maker like ESP who knows that their exclusive headstock decal at least equals any American made Fender or Gibson by most players assessments may want to keep the ESP mystique alive. But with Ibanez, it would have to be a signature model or Ibanez J-Custom or Prestige to always been seen as good as USA Fender and Gibson. But ordinary Ibanez and GIO Ibanez don't have the same reputation as USA guitars so maybe Ibanez has downgraded their own name by letting lower priced models hold the Ibanez moniker.

This is the argument for making only $2000 dollar ESPs and Ibanezes and Yamahas have the flagship logo with "another" logo, like Cimar, representing budget models.

That being said USA models like the Fender American Special and Gibson faded series has intruded on the budget market that non-premium/prestige models of the Ibanez line belong to. So it's all business and different naming conventions in order to spur sales. I think LTD Elite could have been called "ESP Professional", like "Jackson Professional" meaning it's still a pro level instrument but designed for the working musician.

It could easily be:


LTD
"LTD Elite" for the 1000 Series LTDs
"ESP Professional" instead of the current LTD Elite title
ESP Standard
ESP Custom
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Re: ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

Well, instead of making many sub category, ESP kills the brand 'ESP' for export.
Soon, they will replace by E-II.

the last batch of ESP SS that still carry ESP logo will have different logo as you see in their website.

later, they will kill it too, and we only see E-II as for overseas products.
the brand 'ESP' will exclusively for Japan domestic market and custom shop order.

So we will have:
Grassroots and LTD ( considered as their lowest end model)
Edwards ( mid level )
LTD elite ( hi level MIJ)
E-II (replacement of ESP SS)
ESP ( custom shop order and domestic model)
Navigator ( highest end from esp)
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Re: ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

I think the Ibanez premium line should have least came with a hard shell case. Hardly nobody is going to use a gigbag for a 7-1000dollar guitar... Man I dont even put my rg350mdx in a gigbag its in its case or on a stand, or until I go right out and get a case for witch ever guitar I have just bought.
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They are barely anymore than the Ibanez Premium stuff and probably play a lot better. To be honest I think the prices Ibanez is charging for the premiums to be absolutely hilarious and can't believe people pay for it.
I agree...I played a new premium and it did not seem premium to me....maybe I played a bad one but I was not impressed
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Re: ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

I don't see anything called Premium, I just see the Elite which is the MIJ LTD, 3 models, all fugly, using cheap stamped Floyds, 35% more than Ibanez premiums, 35% less than Prestige. So what's all the gaga about?
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Re: ESP has it figured out on their Premium line

I somehow don't see the LTD Elite succeeding - the brand just screams 'cheap'. At around 1440 euros it's a direct competitor to ESP's another new brand, the E-II (starting at 1450 euros!) - which hardly favors the LTD. To confuse the customer base a bit more, 2013 ESP Standards are, according to ESP specs, exactly the same guitars as the E-II, but with a 250 euro price premium. It's not hard to see the Standard line disappearing very soon and the E-II increasing in price quickly afterwards, but what becomes of LTD Elite?

Must be pretty aggravating for a retailer, trying to market the existing stock (Standards) against the new series, which is similar in quality but sells a lot cheaper. All the while explaining that, yes, the LTD is MIJ and of great craftsmanship and not at all comparable to those other LTD's...
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