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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-13-2012, 09:08 AM Thread Starter
 
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Fragile 3120 finish???

Hey guys, as some of you may have seen in the 3120 owners thread, I recently picked up a RGT3120 TV in amazing condition. I am very excited about this guitar, so you can imagine how much it sucked for me last night, when I put my first chip in the finish...

I know that guitars get dings and chips if you play them, but this was too easy. I had the guitar strapped on at practice, reached into my cable box to get a cord, and as I pulled the cable out of said box, the end swung into the guitar and bumped it. It was such a light bump that I honestly didn't think twice about it. I have had much worse happen to other guitars (Ibanez included) with nothing to show for it. A few minutes later I notice a chip about the size of a small pea.

Are all 3120 finishes this fragile? I would like to gig with this guitar but probably won't if I have to worry about the finish falling off!
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-13-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

3120 finishes seem to be the most chip prone of any Ibanez guitars I've seen. Hopefully the chip is at least on the back or on the edge?
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Yeah, it is on the side/edge, just below the face. Not really noticeable if you are looking straight at the front.
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

I'm curious. What year is it? I think some years are better than others quality and finish wise with MIJ Ibanez's. The MRR finish on my '06 RG1570 doesn't seem like it would come off easy. I don't know what others think but it seems to me, say, 97-2002 were not great years, improved from 2003 to 2006, then went steadily downward from 2007 to today. Just a theory though.
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post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-13-2012, 10:25 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

Hey Mike, it is an '03.
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

My old RG3120 had around 10 small chips all along the back edge of the guitar. My RG8520, which is an extremely similar guitar, had several as well. My RG8670 that I currently have has one or two but by RGT320 is flawless.

I think part of the issue is that Ibanez isn't dyeing the guitars but rather putting on a transparent stain. It seems like the stain doesn't adhere very well to the wood and is susceptible to chipping.
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My old RG3120 had around 10 small chips all along the back edge of the guitar. My RG8520, which is an extremely similar guitar, had several as well. My RG8670 that I currently have has one or two but by RGT320 is flawless.

I think part of the issue is that Ibanez isn't dyeing the guitars but rather putting on a transparent stain. It seems like the stain doesn't adhere very well to the wood and is susceptible to chipping.

Ahh, interesting. You probably nailed it right there. I did think that it was odd there was no color in the wood because it did appear to be dyed.

The guitar plays and sounds great and I would hate to have to leave it at home. I am just afraid to tear it up, it is in such great condition!
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

If it wakes you worry any less, they always seem to chip on the edges, which makes them less noticeable. Also, others would say, now you have your first chip and you don't have to worry any more!
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Hey Mike, it is an '03.
Well that blows my theory out of the water.

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I was thiniking much the same thing; especially on my old RG7620VK. A transparent stain or a funky sealant of some sort. Most VK's I see for sale on the internets have much the same chipping. I used to have a '99 RG570 in iron pewter that was similar too. Maybe it's certain runs of guitars? Paint quality on my 20th RF doesn't seem to be super great either though, thank goodness, I haven't had a chip yet. It just looks a tad thin.
We work with industrial finishes at work and IMO wood seems to be a general PITA to finish; period.
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

Come to think of it, the real problem is probably poor adhesion between the sanding sealer and the stain. It's a pity that Ibanez doesn't dye trans finished guitars. Not only would the results look much better, but if you got a chip, the wood would have the correct dye underneath and it wouldn't be as noticeable. You could also touch up the chip easier.

But dye finishes are more expensive.
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post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-13-2012, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

Hey Ride, do you know of anyone who does quality finish work? I see lots of posts about paint and swirls but can't recall anything about dyes/transparent finishes. I know a local guy but I don't know if I would trust him with this guitar. I wonder what it would cost to actually have one dyed?
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Well that blows my theory out of the water.

Ride,
I was thiniking much the same thing; especially on my old RG7620VK. A transparent stain or a funky sealant of some sort. Most VK's I see for sale on the internets have much the same chipping. I used to have a '99 RG570 in iron pewter that was similar too. Maybe it's certain runs of guitars? Paint quality on my 20th RF doesn't seem to be super great either though, thank goodness, I haven't had a chip yet. It just looks a tad thin.
We work with industrial finishes at work and IMO wood seems to be a general PITA to finish; period.
The finishes are definitely hard to nail down to certain years. I have an '01 570 that literally looks like new and it gets played a lot! It has only acquired one small edge chip in it's lifetime (so far...). Had an '09 1550 that had an incredibly durable finish and an '08 1570 that chipped if you looked at it wrong. Of course, all of my early models, from the late 80's to the mid 90's, chipped easily.
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

My RG520QS is very chip prone!..... Then again, that may just be me!

Not sellin' that baby!!
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

After all those years of playing to be honest I think my 3120 isn't in such bad shape.

I can comment the clear coating is sort of fragile but the wood compared to my previous guitar (95 model rg370ghbls, and have to say it was way better than the 300 stuff produced today) is rock-hard.

I bumped the headstock once pretty bad and was amazed it didn't crack open (been using '10 strings for years), only a small dig thats not very easy to notice.
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Re: Fragile 3120 finish???

Funny enough, I think the regular Indo's have a better paint finish of late compared to the MIJ Ibanez's. Not the Premiums mind you the straight-up regular Indo's. I wish more of the Premiums would offer regular colors. I'm not into quilts so much. The closest thing I have is on the RG3EXQM1 and that's a laser copy. LOL!
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