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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-02-2014, 03:07 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hardtailed RG1570z still has tuning problems!

Hi all

I've just had my local guitar tech/luthier hardtail my RG1570z to try and increase tuning stability. He measured up a couple of small pieces of wood and then fitted them either side of the tremolo block. I then also removed the 3 locking screws from the nut and wound in the fine tuners. So in reality I now only have to tune using the tuning keys/machine heads.

I know it kind of defeats the object of having a floating tremolo but to be honest I never use the whammy bar anyway and find that I'm forever tuning it.

So anyway. Mod done the bridge/trem is now rock solid and doesn't move at all. But I still seem to be retuning after every song I play. It's driving me mad!
any ideas before I rip the wood blocks out and go back to having a floating trem?


Thanks in advance for any advice.
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-02-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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Re: Hardtailed RG1570z still has tuning problems!

My guess is the strings are binding on the nut.
The locking nut is made to stop the strings from moving at all, and even without the locks, there's a lot of surface area for the strings to slide over when bending, vibrato, etc. so it's not likely to return to pitch due to this friction.
You still have the fine tuners on the bridge, even though it's blocked. Tune up, stretch your strings, lock the nut, fine tune with the bridge and i'll bet it'll stay nearly perfectly in tune.
Unless there's some other issue, like a loose saddle or two, loose neck, etc. but I'm leaning towards friction at the nut.
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Re: Hardtailed RG1570z still has tuning problems!

Thankyou very much for the advice ItalianPCtech!

I'll give that a go and then report back with an update.
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Re: Hardtailed RG1570z still has tuning problems!

Make sure the neck screws are tight too-
What strings are you using (9-42)?
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Re: Hardtailed RG1570z still has tuning problems!

Thanks ItalianPCTech!

That worked perfectly. You saved me a lot of grief! Top work that man!

Hi Sebastian

I'm using D'Arddario EXP EXP110 10-43 strings. I always thought that the neck screws only had to be finger tight?
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I then also removed the 3 locking screws from the nut and wound in the fine tuners. So in reality I now only have to tune using the tuning keys/machine heads.
There's your problem. The locking nut isn't really meant to work well unlocked. The strings just don't move smoothly on it like a bone or graphite nut. You'll want to set the fine tuners to the middle of their range and lock the nut, then use the fine tuners between major tunings.
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Thanks ItalianPCTech!

That worked perfectly. You saved me a lot of grief! Top work that man!

Hi Sebastian

I'm using D'Arddario EXP EXP110 10-43 strings. I always thought that the neck screws only had to be finger tight?
No, Snug, but not over tight
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Thanks ItalianPCTech!

That worked perfectly. You saved me a lot of grief! Top work that man!
Not that it's a big deal, but check my profile. "man" doesn't exactly work for me.
Nice to meet you Gooch. Welcome to the forum. I'm Michelle, one of, if not the; only girl actively posting to the forums.
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Re: Hardtailed RG1570z still has tuning problems!

Thanks all for your advice!

To be honest I didn't think it would matter if the locking screws weren't on the nut as most other guitar makes don't use them at all. I know better now though!

As for the tension on the locking nut screws, how tight should they be? I'm sure I read somewhere a while a go that they only need to be at finger tightness. Is this true or should they be locked on tight?
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Thanks all for your advice!

To be honest I didn't think it would matter if the locking screws weren't on the nut as most other guitar makes don't use them at all. I know better now though!

As for the tension on the locking nut screws, how tight should they be? I'm sure I read somewhere a while a go that they only need to be at finger tightness. Is this true or should they be locked on tight?
As you turn the hex wrench tighter, it just stops hard with a medium amount of tension.
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That's great!

Thanks for your help Sebastian.
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Thanks all for your advice!

To be honest I didn't think it would matter if the locking screws weren't on the nut as most other guitar makes don't use them at all. I know better now though!

As for the tension on the locking nut screws, how tight should they be? I'm sure I read somewhere a while a go that they only need to be at finger tightness. Is this true or should they be locked on tight?
And on standard nut guitars you'll notice; the width of the nut is only about 1 to 2mm, so the string has very little contact with the nut.
Unlike the plate for the locking nut, which is several millimeters wide.
Just don't crank the pads down so tight you crush the strings. That's not needed. Just enough to hold them in place.
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Thanks all

Much appreciated !
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