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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 09-21-2011, 10:09 AM Thread Starter
 
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High Nut, Bad Intonation?

Hey Guys,

Can I high nut affect intonation? I noticed when I play certain chords with one fingering it will sound great but use a different fingering and intonation is out. I know the logical answer is use the fingering that makes it sound great however the fingering that works cuts other notes out and isnt natural. I have noticed my nut is high, I have strobe intonated as well using various methods.....

So....what affects will a high nut yield......
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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 09-21-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

What is high?
Yes it can cause intonation issues.
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What is high?
Yes it can cause intonation issues.
I dont havw the measurements now but its noticably high (you can feel it on the low e on the first fret...)

What kind of intonation issues are we talking about?
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

Rich says to get the nut height as low as it will go without string buzz AFTER you set the action and neck relief, though he doesn't say it affects intonation.

You might try this to see if it helps
http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/nut.htm

Here's a link for his intonation setup instructions
http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/intonation.htm
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

it is a good possibility. The nut is one of the most important parts of the guitar. Too high, and chords sound bad and intonation can be affected. Too low, and you get a lot of string buzz and (depending on the fret quality) dead notes.

It's generally an easy fix.
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

The high nut will affect the first few frets, or more if it's rediculously high. The higher it is the more you pull the first few frets sharp when fretted. Nut buzz is a personal thing though, some don't mind some buzz on open strings, some want zero, and the amount of buzz and feel off the nut is going to determine how high you set it.
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The high nut will affect the first few frets, or more if it's rediculously high. The higher it is the more you pull the first few frets sharp when fretted. Nut buzz is a personal thing though, some don't mind some buzz on open strings, some want zero, and the amount of buzz and feel off the nut is going to determine how high you set it.
Im getting the weirdest intonation issue that Im trying to work through. If I play a chord (lets say a power chord with the high E and B) the intonation sounds out on the higher strings fingered one way and back in played another way (this way elimantes some notes that I want...) My other guitars dont do this. I have also noticed that playing a bar chord higher up the neck rings true but on the first 5 frets it doesnt. However on the open strings they are intonated correct and sound good.......

I have troubleshot everything I know how, including having the frets leveled by my tech, lowering the pickup, intonating with a strobe and using different methods. The only thing I can think it is, is my nut....it is higher than some of my others....
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

Could be technique as well. Players often over look that when hunting down phantoms. Improper technique can sneak up on you gradually.
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Ditto. If it's only happening with one fingering then it's probably being pulled sharp the way you're fingering.
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

High nuts (tighty whiteys) may result in higher pitches while lower nuts (boxers) may result in lower registers, right?
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High nuts (tighty whiteys) may result in higher pitches while lower nuts (boxers) may result in lower registers, right?
Lol....I knew someone wouldn't let some of these statements go untouched.....
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Lol....I knew someone wouldn't let some of these statements go untouched.....
I lol'd
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

Found the issue......I feel stupid. I didnt intonate at the 24rth fret. This cleared it all up. Went to Rich tech section and followed the instructions. Now she sounds great! The nut is still too high.....lol...
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

Do you have any shims under the nut? If so, remove those.
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Re: High Nut, Bad Intonation?

Setting intonation at the 24th is not the proper way to get accurate adjustments. Use the 12th.
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