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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-29-2011, 12:40 AM Thread Starter
 
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how do I..............?

get a guitars wood grain to do this? and what woods are capable of doing this really well?

http://images.wikia.com/ibanez/image...G370AX_RSW.gif

is it multiple coats or stain or what? because i really like it. imaging rg7620 with a custom ash body (for that nice looking grain) with the red finish w/ black grain (or vise versa), some awesome red inlays and a red ibanez logo (or red stock with black logo). sooooooooo metal

and sorry for making ANOTHER thread this week. i know its probably annoying but since im on my first project, im getting lots of great ideas for new ones. im in the creative mood
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I've been wondering about that too since I saw the Les Paul Voodoo
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red basecoat, black on top and lightly sanded down will probably give you something like it.
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thats what i thought too but then i thought "well, if the red can get into the grain, why not the black?" theni thought of taping but it would just make red stripes in the guitar. now this is exremely out of the box here but what if you stain, then tape over the grain and really pound the tape INTO the grain, then sand off everything thats not in it and stain again with black and remove the tape. very stupid but crazy enough to work?
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you know, i think im just looking too far into this. theres NO WAY that that would work
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Stain dark brown first and let soak seveal hours-overnight. Wipe off. Stain black, let soak a hour, then wipe off...



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thats what i thought too but then i thought "well, if the red can get into the grain, why not the black?" theni thought of taping but it would just make red stripes in the guitar. now this is exremely out of the box here but what if you stain, then tape over the grain and really pound the tape INTO the grain, then sand off everything thats not in it and stain again with black and remove the tape. very stupid but crazy enough to work?
i would assume the red would fill the grain and the black just lays on top of it ?
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Stain dark brown first and let soak seveal hours-overnight. Wipe off. Stain black, let soak a hour, then wipe off...
wow, that seems a lot easier than i made it out to be i forgot all about time being a factor
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If you do the reddish/brown and let it really soak in, it will be the prominent color. After the brown has dried, rub on the black, but don't let it stay on long--wipe it off. You might want to do the blaxk in a few short coats until you get the efect you want. It's similar to a reverse 3-D stain over quilted or flamed maple.



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Pretty sure the Gibson is done using red grain filler. You fill then grain, let it dry, then sand back to keep to expose the wood keeping the red filler in the grain. Then stain with black, let dry thoroughly then sand back to reveal the red. It is actually pretty easy to do if you have the right wood to begin with.
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Dye it Jet black.....one heavy coat of sanding sealer.......sand to 220 grit......Dye with scarlet red..... 3 coats of sanding sealer...... clear coat....done
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according to Gibson

"Distinctive finish: guitar is painted ebony, rubbed with a red filler, and sealed with a satin lacquer"

I am sure there are many ways to accomplish the finish and the method will depend on what you are comfortable with, and what kind of wood you are using.

When I have done similar finishes, I have selected a piece of wood that has well defined grain lines that are relatively deep. I then either fill the grain or paint/stain the guitar depending on the colors. Then I do the other. I have also used a tinted lacquer (say yellow or black), then sanding sealer, then sanded back to reveal the grain, the another tinted lacquer (say green) The grain ends up being are combination of the two colors.

The most important thing is to test it first. If you paint first you may fill the grain too much or maybe your grain filler will not adhere. If you stain after filler, it may color the filler. It is going to depend on the stain/paint/filler/wood combination. Take a scrap piece of wood and test through the whole process, find out if it works for you, then apply to the guitar.
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I believe what you would need to do is dye the wood with the darker color. Next sand it down til it only leaves that color in the softer grained areas of the body. Next dye the whole thing with the lighter color. Seal it and clear it. I believe it called predying.
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Pre-dying is for typically used for flame/quilt/grain enhancement and may work but results will vary (colors will blend). This particular finish is much more defined. But as stated there is more then one way to skin a cat.

I wish I had pictures of all the methods I have used, but I do not always document my builds.
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i see, i see. all answers make sense. ill have to try this sometime. and i dont really trust gibsons method. because lets face it, the gibsons look awful! the grain is almost as dark as the wood haha
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