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I'd be down with Richlite too. Would solve the problems of CITES in an instant. I am not even sure why Ibanez still has this obsession with rosewood, that needs to stop.
Not sure why you think Ibanez is "obsessed" with rosewood. They used it on a lot of guitars over the years just like EVERY other major brand because it's a really good fretboard material which was readily available.

Obviously when CITES came in they still had a couple of years worth of the stuff in their pipeline. They quickly replaced rosewood (with treated NZ pine) on the lower end models and kept using their existing stock on their more expensive guitars. This year, the mid-level models mostly had jatoba. Recently they switched most of their mid-level hollow body models to laurel. Starting next year, it sounds like rosewood is going to all but disappear from the lineup. I don't see anything there that points to an obsession.
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Ceylon Ebony has been a protected species since 1994, Mauritius Ebony was nearly all harvested by the Dutch, then the British, a few species became extinct as a result, the rest of them aren't black. Of the black Ebonies, all are protected. Black Ebony is much scarcer than Rosewood which is a recent addition to CITES, mainly to stop the Chinese eating it all or rubbing it into their penises or whatever it is they do with vanishingly rare commodities.
I didn't say anything about rare, and Ceylon is allowed to do whatever the hell Ceylon wants to do. You mentioned CITES, and only one species of ebony is protected by that treaty. There are over 300 species in the genus. Now, that may change in the future, but to go off on what you think is the case or should be the case is a different thing than what is the case. At the moment, only ebony of the genus Diospyros, specifically from Madagascar, is protected as an Appendix II item, and nothing else. No Ceylon or Mauritius or anywhere else ebonies are protected by Appendix II. Appendix III items are only restricted in the country which restricted them (like Black Pine is restricted in Nepal, for instance), but there are no Appendix III ebonies either.
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Ceylon Ebony has been a protected species since 1994, Mauritius Ebony was nearly all harvested by the Dutch, then the British, a few species became extinct as a result, the rest of them aren't black. Of the black Ebonies, all are protected. Black Ebony is much scarcer than Rosewood which is a recent addition to CITES, mainly to stop the Chinese eating it all or rubbing it into their penises or whatever it is they do with vanishingly rare commodities.
I didn't say anything about rare, and Ceylon is allowed to do whatever the hell Ceylon wants to do. You mentioned CITES, and only one species of ebony is protected by that treaty. There are over 300 species in the genus. Now, that may change in the future, but to go off on what you think is the case or should be the case is a different thing than what is the case. At the moment, only ebony of the genus Diospyros, specifically from Madagascar, is protected as an Appendix II item, and nothing else. No Ceylon or Mauritius or anywhere else ebonies are protected by Appendix II. Appendix III items are only restricted in the country which restricted them (like Black Pine is restricted in Nepal, for instance), but there are no Appendix III ebonies either.
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Some people come here for information, believe it or not, and when you present opinion as fact you should expect to be called on it. And I'm not being remotely aggressive, I've just been forced to repeat myself.
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Some people come here for information, believe it or not, and when you present opinion as fact you should expect to be called on it. And I'm not being remotely aggressive, I've just been forced to repeat myself. <img src="http://www.jemsite.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
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I'd like to see genesis RG565s with maple boards. That's one model that got screwed over with the 25ths and that needs to be rectified.

Fire alarm red or some of the 1 off colors like heather pearl would be absolutely perfect.
I have a RG465m and I absolutely love it. So a RG565 Genesis is something I'd be first in line to purchase.

However, I reckon the RG560 (in Grape Ice) and RG750/70 (in Ruby Red) will make the comebacks and I wouldn't be shocked to see a 540S if the Genesis line is to continue. In addition, the finishes for the RG550 Genesis will be reduced, purple neon and white will go.
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Yeah, the RG465M could definitely use an MIJ Genesis version after being an and-also Indo model on the 25th anniversaries.
There also DEFINITELY needs to be a Genesis S model. Though MIJ S's are very expensive due to the shape and routing from what's been said on this board I think.
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Not sure why you think Ibanez is "obsessed" with rosewood. They used it on a lot of guitars over the years just like EVERY other major brand because it's a really good fretboard material which was readily available.

Obviously when CITES came in they still had a couple of years worth of the stuff in their pipeline. They quickly replaced rosewood (with treated NZ pine) on the lower end models and kept using their existing stock on their more expensive guitars. This year, the mid-level models mostly had jatoba. Recently they switched most of their mid-level hollow body models to laurel. Starting next year, it sounds like rosewood is going to all but disappear from the lineup. I don't see anything there that points to an obsession.
I hope that continues for the MIJ/Prestige/JCs then. I've just seen so many rosewood boards from Ibanez lately that I've been waiting for when they finally stop using it.
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I have a RG465m and I absolutely love it. So a RG565 Genesis is something I'd be first in line to purchase.

However, I reckon the RG560 (in Grape Ice) and RG750/70 (in Ruby Red) will make the comebacks and I wouldn't be shocked to see a 540S if the Genesis line is to continue. In addition, the finishes for the RG550 Genesis will be reduced, purple neon and white will go.
See, Ruby Red doesn't excite me as much because my RG5000 is Ruby Red. That's why I want some other colors. I think Purple neon might stay, but I hope Jewel blue is discontinued. Tired of that color.
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I'm not sure about Japan but the US has gotten a pretty even mix of rosewood or maple, with a few in ebony thrown in. In fact I think there were more maple board options in RG's not long ago. And when you get down to it these are the traditional woods used in fretboards. I hate the feel of wenge, it's like the most porous rosewood you ever felt, these jatoba and "insert any species not normally associated with guitars here" fretboard are boutique timber de jour and if they were great "tonewoods" they'd have been using them for the last 100 years, they're "look at what we used" woods. Not like you ever saw any archtop Gibsons from the golden era with purpleheart anything.
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I'm not sure about Japan but the US has gotten a pretty even mix of rosewood or maple, with a few in ebony thrown in. In fact I think there were more maple board options in RG's not long ago. And when you get down to it these are the traditional woods used in fretboards. I hate the feel of wenge, it's like the most porous rosewood you ever felt, these jatoba and "insert any species not normally associated with guitars here" fretboard are boutique timber de jour and if they were great "tonewoods" they'd have been using them for the last 100 years, they're "look at what we used" woods. Not like you ever saw any archtop Gibsons from the golden era with purpleheart anything.
Oh dont get me wrong, purpleheart and those "tone" woods dont excite me one bit (Kiesel marketing them as some secret special wood drives me crazy). I'd just prefer if they used Fau perro a little more since supposedly it's close to rosewood.
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I'm a big fan of pau ferro to be honest. I have a full pau ferro neck on a custom build Charvel style superstrat I own.

I don't think that its tonal properties would have caused Fender or Gibson to switch to its use, as others have said they try to be traditional, I think its use so far has been limited simply because it's "not what we've always done" mixed in with "we can get this other wood over here in bulk at a lower cost"...

Exotic timbers like have always been "look what we've used" woods, but going back to the 50s, i'd wager maple and rosewood typically were chosen for availability and contrasting colour more than anything else. I'm sure ebony's black colour was partly responsible for it's popularity...

But moving forwards, I do think that it's a 100% viable alternative to rosewood if people can harvest it responsibly.
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I'm willing to try all those rosewood-alternatives, as long as in prestige/genesis/MIJ line RG.
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I'm sure ebony's black colour was partly responsible for it's popularity...
Ebony was used in violins for hundreds of years, hard, very tight and straight grain, and in violins everything matters to tone. To have that carry over to other stringed instruments would be expected.
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I'm not sure about Japan but the US has gotten a pretty even mix of rosewood or maple, with a few in ebony thrown in. In fact I think there were more maple board options in RG's not long ago...
Ibanez has definitely had a better balance of fretboard options since around 2009. There was a period there between 2004 and 2008 when almost everything they offered was rosewood.

Look at the 2005 lineup, for example. The single maple fretboard in sight was the Paul Gilbert hardtail. I think everything else they sold except for the very limited production Bob Weir signature (which had ebony) was rosewood.
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