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Ibanez's flat/satin black finishes

Does Ibanez use a clear coat on the guitars?

I felt one the other day.. Felt very satiny.. Was that the paint, or the clear?
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Re: Ibanez's flat/satin black finishes

The short answer is no, matte black is usually a single stage finish. They have used some matte clear on some models but the black is usually single stage.
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What about this? No clear?

http://www.ibanezguitarsonsale.com/S...sale_2994.html
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Re: Ibanez's flat/satin black finishes

I have a "semi-flat" black RG I just created.

http://f.cl.ly/items/0m0V1N0G0t2M3T37352g/Top2.PNG

I guess I'll just smooth it out a bit and start the lead shielding paint work in a few days.

I sanded down the 2008 Prestige neck it came with. It has the 17mm-18/19mm profile. However I made it a compound radius. It's much flatter from 9-24 than 1-8 frets. The 1-8 has a much rounder feel that gradually gets flatter. I then tung oiled the bad boy.

I know it's still WIDER than the original wizard, and that I don't mind.
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Re: Ibanez's flat/satin black finishes

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Be a little more specific. Are you asking about flat finishes on guitars? Or necks?

I'm pretty sure most of our flat finish guitars have a clear coat. Only exceptions I've seen are some of the "oiled" finishes. Like the 'MOL' finish.

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[email protected] told me this.
Bill, Matt, Tom, Brian and the other guys at Hoshino USA are great dudes and do a great job on the Ibanez forum. However, Rich is far more knowledgeable about the various models, parts and finishes than they are.
They can provide a little more than basic info, but usually have to go ask about other things. While they do work for the company, they have not had nearly the hands-on time that Rich has with them. Don't get me wrong--they are good fellas and really help out. But, Rich has been dealing with Ibanez guitars far longer than them.

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Re: Ibanez's flat/satin black finishes

The ones I saw had clear. Had to have. There is no way it could be just the paint.

I've come to find matt finishes also wear quickly without a clearcoat.

For example, this looks like a flat color in the store.

http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RGD2127Z

It does have a clearcoat.
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Re: Ibanez's flat/satin black finishes

Another question.

If I do put a clear satin finish on it, do you add the conductive paint in the electronic cavities AFTER or BEFORE you put it on?
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The ones I saw had clear. Had to have. There is no way it could be just the paint.

I've come to find matt finishes also wear quickly without a clearcoat.

For example, this looks like a flat color in the store.

http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RGD2127Z

It does have a clearcoat.
And why are you so sure it does? I've had them with chips and have seen zero evidence it's cleared.
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Another question.

If I do put a clear satin finish on it, do you add the conductive paint in the electronic cavities AFTER or BEFORE you put it on?
You don't paint the cavities--just put the conductive paint in there when you're done refinishing it.



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And why are you so sure it does? I've had them with chips and have seen zero evidence it's cleared.
You have more experience than I do Rich. I'm not trying to say you are wrong. My post may have came off wrong.

I'd like to re-create the finish, but it seems it would wear fast?

I guess I don't understand why they WOULDN'T add a satin/flat clear-coat. I am sure they aren't being concerned with sonic properties.

Just doing some research, and looking at my options.

I guess any imperfections on the paint would be smooth sanded off? I guess I'm not sure how they get a PERFECTLY smooth surface. Polishing would make it shiny no?

Sorry Rich, I am sorta new to this obviously. I do appreciate the time you've taken to answer my posts.
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You don't paint the cavities--just put the conductive paint in there when you're done refinishing it.
I notice Ibanez usually only puts the paint in the single coil cavity. Does the humbuckers need it as well?
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They're not perfectly smooth, they're fairly grainy to the touch. You can't sand, buff, polish, nothing. It's a finish that is only going to look worse with time.
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They're not perfectly smooth, they're fairly grainy to the touch. You can't sand, buff, polish, nothing. It's a finish that is only going to look worse with time.
It has a silky satiny feel. I prefer that to a SLICK feel. I understand how it would look worse with time. That's why I was asking about the clear coat.

I only paid $280 for the 08 Prestige I bought that I am messing with. They thought it was broke because the guy who pawned it put the old pickups in without re-soldering them. I got it for cheaper.

So far I've shaved the neck to be as thin as a wizard neck.

Did their "Biker Black" finish have a clear coat?
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