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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 11-23-2014, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
 
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Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

Does anyone know how close (in feel) are the necks of RG 1570 and ESP M-II (particularly a bolt-on version, as it's supposed to be flatter than the NTB)?
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Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

The M-II is a little flatter imo.

However, the cost of an M-II versus the cost of the 1570 means the 1570 is WAY better bang for the buck than the M-II. M-II isn't a bad guitar, really nice actually, but not worth the money when compared to cheaper Ibanezes.
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Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

it depends on what year is the M-II?
The 1570 will always be the same 430mm.
meanwhile current M-II is 305mm, and some old ones had 400mm ( If I'm not mistaken).
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it depends on what year is the M-II?
The 1570 will always be the same 430mm.
meanwhile current M-II is 305mm, and some old ones had 400mm ( If I'm not mistaken).
I'm sorry, but I meant the back of the neck. As for years, 2003-2010.
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The M-II is a little flatter imo.
Do you mean the fretboard is flatter of the back of the neck? Because I need to know about the back of the neck.

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However, the cost of an M-II versus the cost of the 1570 means the 1570 is WAY better bang for the buck than the M-II. M-II isn't a bad guitar, really nice actually, but not worth the money when compared to cheaper Ibanezes.
Why is Ibanez cheaper than ESP? Is it because of the woods used?
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Why is Ibanez cheaper than ESP? Is it because of the woods used?
He's talking about the price of ESP in JAPAN compared to Ibanez.
ESP that sold in Japan is made by their custom shop division. so anything 'custom' must be so expensive compared to regular production.

meanwhile the ESP that export outside Japan, is regular production.

in some case, I found ESP is better buying than Ibanez, I'm not say 'cheaper'.
and I'm talking about the export version of ESP that still carries the ESP logo on the headstock, not LTD.
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I'm sorry, but I meant the back of the neck. As for years, 2003-2010.
I honestly can't remember the shape of the neck on those bolt on M-II.
My current neck thru M-II ( M-II CTM), shaped is more like soft V to me.
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I honestly can't remember the shape of the neck on those bolt on M-II.
My current neck thru M-II ( M-II CTM), shaped is more like soft V to me.
Is this that expensive (over 300,000 Yen) custom one? Or a Standard series?
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Is this that expensive (over 300,000 Yen) custom one? Or a Standard series?
That's the custom shop one for sure, the E-II lineup is what the Standard once was. I checked the bolt-on M-II price from 2012 (around $1600) and the price of an RG1570 ($1050 or so) and to me the difference is hard to explain. (Both US prices, but similar in Europe at the time)

The Ibanez is a better deal IMO, even though I'm a huge fan of ESPs*, when it comes to comparable products. Not sure about the value of guitars made after 2008 though.

*I have a '11 Original Series M-II CTM coming in soon - it'll be interesting to see how it compares to my '06 J Custom and '08 Jackson SL2H in terms of building quality and such. I don't think anything can top the JC though
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That's the custom shop one for sure, the E-II lineup is what the Standard once was. I checked the bolt-on M-II price from 2012 (around $1600) and the price of an RG1570 ($1050 or so) and to me the difference is hard to explain. (Both US prices, but similar in Europe at the time)

The Ibanez is a better deal IMO, even though I'm a huge fan of ESPs*, when it comes to comparable products. Not sure about the value of guitars made after 2008 though.

*I have a '11 Original Series M-II CTM coming in soon - it'll be interesting to see how it compares to my '06 J Custom and '08 Jackson SL2H in terms of building quality and such. I don't think anything can top the JC though
I have a story (it may not be applicable to you but something to think about):

I met the guitarist from a band that has been playing live houses for around 15 years over here last night and asked him why he was using an ESP. He said he was originally a Jackson player, but for a couple years over here, there was no way to order a Jackson custom shop model so he decided to go with an ESP custom model (plus the waiting time was about 1/3 of the wait for a Jackson as well). He said that it had a few factory errors and while it is a decent guitar, he would much rather have a Jackson. One of the biggest things he disliked about his ESP was that acoustically, the notes didn't ring out well. It's a fairly bland guitar in his opinion.

That's NOT to say all ESP guitars are bad. I really like the shape and design of the M-II (don't like the choice of pups). If I had the money for one, I'd definitely jump on one. However, they are INSANELY expensive here AND even the E-II line is priced in the J custom range. At that price, i'd save a for a couple more months and just buy another Carvin JB200, or find some really sweet Japan market Ibanezes (my 685 only costing me 550 USD, and my 580 only costing 200 USD with trade-ins).
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He's talking about the price of ESP in JAPAN compared to Ibanez.
ESP that sold in Japan is made by their custom shop division. so anything 'custom' must be so expensive compared to regular production.

meanwhile the ESP that export outside Japan, is regular production.

in some case, I found ESP is better buying than Ibanez, I'm not say 'cheaper'.
and I'm talking about the export version of ESP that still carries the ESP logo on the headstock, not LTD.
The M-II DX is only like 20,000-30,000 yen cheaper btw.
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Is this that expensive (over 300,000 Yen) custom one? Or a Standard series?
yes, mine is standard series.
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The M-II DX is only like 20,000-30,000 yen cheaper btw.
Same with the SS ( Standard Series) M-II bolt on is maybe around 200-300 bucks cheaper compared to the neck thru.

Again, I'm comparing it with dollar to dollar , for example :
The SS M-II bolt on with duncans is around 1100-1300 here.
with the same 1100/1300, you can get ibanez RG 655.
the M-II is equipped with original floyd rose, CTS pots, CRL switch, switchcraft jack.
Well Ibanez..... ? you know.

not saying the parts in Ibanez is inferior than ESP, but I'd guess you got the point.
and the built quality of the SS ESP is not bad after all.

yes, you may get lemon among those too, but don't we also sometimes got lemon with ibanez?
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Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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yes, mine is standard series.
Never would have thought that a Standard series M-II could have a (soft) V-shaped neck. I am looking for a flatter feeling (on the back) neck. I assume that soft V shape on your M-II has something to do with the CTM thing?
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Same with the SS ( Standard Series) M-II bolt on is maybe around 200-300 bucks cheaper compared to the neck thru.

Again, I'm comparing it with dollar to dollar , for example :
The SS M-II bolt on with duncans is around 1100-1300 here.
with the same 1100/1300, you can get ibanez RG 655.
the M-II is equipped with original floyd rose, CTS pots, CRL switch, switchcraft jack.
Well Ibanez..... ? you know.

not saying the parts in Ibanez is inferior than ESP, but I'd guess you got the point.
and the built quality of the SS ESP is not bad after all.

yes, you may get lemon among those too, but don't we also sometimes got lemon with ibanez?
I can't figure out for the life of me why ESP is so expensive here. Had I been in the US, I probably would have bought an M-II because of my Timo Tolkki fanboyism Ibanez is so competitively priced here yet they put no effort in the Japanese market, and ESP are ripoffs yet everyone uses em. Go figure

Also, I've never seen a standard series ESP here. I guess all of them come out of Korea (grassroots, edwards, LTD) or the Custom shop only.

I haven't actually had a lemon with my Ibbies (YET, even my Indo 350 isn't horrible).
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