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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 05-08-2010, 12:14 PM Thread Starter
 
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NGD - Hardtail Content

UK Evilbay produced a brace of hardtails this week. I thought the comparison might be interesting.

Ibanez SZ360 vs PRS SE Custom 22 Stoptail



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The headstocks :



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Hey, that's really nice looking one.. I might have to buy one of these white ones someday.
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So they're both Les Paul pretenders, but how do they stack up? Well, they're both big, chunky, pieces of kit. The SZ is a smidge Liberace to look at, but only a smidge.

The SZ is a seriously heavy piece of wood, and it shows when you play it. It has sustain for days and the Ibanez/Duncan pickups have got gorgeous harmonics all over the place.

The SE is also chunky in construction but it feels like a lightweight in comparison to the SZ. Tone-wise, it punches above its weight but it has a more one-dimensional sound compared to the SZ.

Both have a similar feel to their necks. You might think that the painted/laquered finishes would make for a slow neck but they really don't get in the way. OK, so they're not the way to go for a shredder but they don't feel like a baseball bat either.

The frets on the SZ have excessively sharp ends, which is in stark contrast to the quality finish of everything else on the guitar. By contrast, the SE doesn't do anything odd to stop you in your tracks when you're playing.

In summary, a decent pair of hardtails for a good price. They're not going to be your first port of call for a shredder guitar but the blues is strong with both of them and either of them make a great noise for rhythm playing. Worth a look.
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I was taking a look at that PRS custom 22 and I learned that its a maple veneer. Not sure why but those always put me off. Still looks really sleek, and probably sounds great but I'm not one for veneers
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I was taking a look at that PRS custom 22 and I learned that its a maple veneer. Not sure why but those always put me off. Still looks really sleek, and probably sounds great but I'm not one for veneers
If it's got a figured top and it's reasonably priced, it's a veneer.

Still sounds good.
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what exactly is all the hating on veneers for, I've never understood that??
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Bought at the same time but arriving a little later than the other two, we have a 2003 NDM1 :







OK, so the duct tape (yep, it actually seems to be real duct tape) finish is a gimmick, and the fact that they tried to exaggerate the texture by spraying it black then wiping it back off again makes it look even more fake, but look beyond that stuff.

This is one comfy guitar. No sharp edges anywhere, soft touch finish (there's some sort of satin lacquer over the tape) and a chunky, but very playable, neck.

The NDM1 plays great, sounds great. The SZ sounds fantastic but it's very heavy and a little bit sterile to play. The SE is a bit, I don't know, meh. It's nice and solid so I'm sure that some new pickups would have it singing, but it doesn't do anything to make me want to spend more money on it. The NDM1 feels like a guitar you had for ages. As soon as you pick it up it feels like it belongs in your hands.

Swapped the (non-original) knobs it came with for the worn out, nasty-looking set I took off a well-used RGT. Now I'm trying to resist the temptation to swap out the pickups (INF-somethings?) for some distressed Bareknuckle Warpigs :

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Picked up a very good condition Squier 51 to join the hardtail collection :



Another decent instrument. The thing that looks like a tone control is the rotary pickup selector, and the volume pot is push pull to split the humbucker. Everything's solid and well put together

I can see why these things have got a bit of a cult following. Plays great - typical vintage neck and bright tone but it's great fun to play. Need to resist modifying it...
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the NDM-1 comes with Inf's? But it's was a signature guitar?
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the NDM-1 comes with Inf's? But it's was a signature guitar?
It's still a budget model, though, really. They blew the pickup money on all that duct tape.

Reminds me, I need to get some of those Bare Knuckles...
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I'd assume the SE would smoke the SZ...better quality control.
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UK Evilbay produced a brace of hardtails this week. I thought the comparison might be interesting.

Ibanez SZ360 vs PRS SE Custom 22 Stoptail

Nice score. I've got a white SZ as well.

BTW, just to correct you on the model number thats a SZ320EX that you've got there.
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BTW, just to correct you on the model number thats a SZ320EX that you've got there.
Oops, typo. Well spotted.
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I'd assume the SE would smoke the SZ...better quality control.
Judging by the serial number of the SZ (W-prefix), they were actually made in the same factory.
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