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post #46 of 68 (permalink) Old 08-30-2001, 07:26 PM
 
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man...17 posts and already our new biggest troll. *Nice. *It's probably big Ed R. *gettin his jollies off. *Oh well...enjoy your all-brass trem moron.


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man...17 posts and already our new biggest troll. *
That's a pretty sad statistic. Sad, but true. Is that a new Jemsite record?

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Nice. *It's probably big Ed R. *gettin his jollies off.
I'm not discounting that possibility! :laugh:

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Oh well...enjoy your all-brass trem...
This just makes no sense to me, even if it "resonates better."

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Well, no one said that this kind of attitude makes sense, but these vintage/made in the usa types who swear by all-brass saddles and nuts carved from the teeth of whales aren't usually to grounded in reality anyway. *I figure somewhere along the line, they went out looking for new Elixer strings to put on their SRV strat and some one told em that the secret to SRV's sound was using brass saddles. *Pretty soon all these freaks decide that's the way to go. *They don't realize brass is too soft and that nickle and steel have been shone to have even better resonant abilities when used in the context of a steel string vibrating. *All they know is what some loser dealer told them while they drooled over a Tubescreamer. *These people are sheep. *BAHH!
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and here I thought I started all this excitement with my last post on page 2 *LOL* oh well.......................
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I finally figured out he's talking about an Edge trem. But does it really matter? Sure, brass is nice, the tailpiece on my LPC is brass (it used to be gold plated but I wore most of it off) Brass is great for them, the only problem is it's too soft to hold enough thread tension to work in a Floyd design. There isn't a part that wouldn't be stripped in no time. The only way I could see the 'system' improved with brass would be nut pads, then once the strings wore grooves in them they'd be scrap too.
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Hrm.

I'm not going to get into it unless I have to, but you don't -really- want a bridge material to be 'resonant' per se. You want it to be rigid and efficient in trasmitting waves of vibration to the body; which is what you actually want resonance in.

It's not a matter of the bridge actually 'resonating' that's important. It's the effeciency in which it transmits those vibrations to more important things like the wood of the body/neck/fingerboard and the pickups.

This is why people always assume that denser (ie: heavier) materials used for bridges are better; thinking heavier means "more solid". Cheap die cast pot metal bridges have lots of air pockets in them (cut an old Ibanez trem and half then cut some no name trem off of a real low end guitar in half and you'll see what I mean).

What you want is an object with good mass and a dense material as void of air pockets as possible so the transmission of vibration to the body is as effecient as possible. Any loss of intensity or vibration can result in less volume, 'holes' in certain frequencies and and overall lack of tone in your intrument (or at the very least it not living up to it's potential).

Brass was always used for this for a number of reasons.
a) it's fairly dense (heavy)
b) it's easy to forge/melt and inexpensive
c) their are many grades of it available due to the mass percentage of woodwind instruments made of it (horns, trumpets saxophones etc)
d) and it readily accepts a variety of finishes from electrochemical (chroming of various shades), powder coating and just plain paint

Hope this sheds a little light on the subject.

Oh damn, I guess I did get into it.
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Damn glad I got my shades on, it got mighty bright in here!!! *
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Didn't know you were so edumacated there Jeffrey
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:glare::glare::glare::glare:
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post #55 of 68 (permalink) Old 08-31-2001, 06:39 AM
 
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So here's what I've learned so far:

It was a good idea to sell my Wolfgang.
Ernie Ball makes the best guitars ever.
My Jem sucks.
It was a bad idea selling my Wolfgang.
I really should get a Jackson.
Brass is a good thing to make stuff out of.

Got it!

I had a singer once who was fairly dense and I'm pretty sure he had brass balls. I also had a girlfriend once who was easy to forge/melt but she wasn't inexpensive. Should I switch topics?
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Well I'd say just trust the people who know what they're talking about and we all know who they are.

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I had a singer once who was fairly dense and I'm pretty sure he had brass balls. I also had a girlfriend once who was easy to forge/melt but she wasn't inexpensive. Should I switch topics?
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Didn't know you were so edumacated there Jeffrey
Hehe.

16 yrs doin this ****
(7 of it teaching/fixing/building/repairing guitars) you tend to learn a few things.

Even if you don't want to. :biggrin:

If it were up to me my bridges would probably be made out of tool steel (chromium-vanadium alloy). Very hard, very dense and almost totally absent of voids (air pockets). Cheap to manufacture too, just very hard stuff which makes it difficult to machine, probably why there are none made out of it.
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Back to the Floyd/Lo Pro comparison. I have had both. Guitars with a Floyd and a LO Pro. If I had to choose between the two I couldn't do it. Both have features that I desire, so why not have them both? It also gives you reasons to your wife or girlfreind why you have to have so many different guitars.......peace from unclebuck..........
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Well the point that I was trying to get when I wanted brass used in the edge was that the fine tuners should have been brass since they have an almost direct connection to the string and that they arent in an area that is taking alot of stress. *Oh well. *I love these discussions and they have their points. *Back to the topic of air pockets, doesnt the original floyd have hammer forged steel in it? *German steel at that. *Oh well. *The sad fact of this reality is I dont honestly beleive anyone has designed a perfect floyd yet. *Sure the edge is the best knockoff, but its still a knockoff in my opinion. *Sheep go baaaaa. *I say make the thing better. *This is big enough a topic of debate that maybe Ibanez should offer floyds designed with different alloys? *That would definitely put me in my place. *

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