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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-12-2017, 12:23 AM Thread Starter
 
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Prestige Quality means leveled frets/no fret buzz?

I know prestige guitars are listed as smooth fret ends. But if it has a Prestige label, I expect a guitar to be excellent. Will I still need to pay $200 to get a Fret level and crowning?
I seem to be cursed to have every guitar I meet this same fate..

I haven't owned a prestige yet, but I'm looking to get one. I need a lighter guitar without all the problems of repairing mid range guitars to get them playable.

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Re: Prestige Quality means leveled frets/no fret buzz?

Cursed, self-induced problems based on unrealistic expectations? A little of each?

The Prestige should allow quality setup without level and crowning. Of course action & fret buzz is determined by setup.

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I know prestige guitars are listed as smooth fret ends.
Yes but smooth is a relative term nowadays.

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But if it has a Prestige label, I expect a guitar to be excellent.
No one knows your expectations of what "excellent" is except you.

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Will I still need to pay $200 to get a Fret level and crowning?
No. But if this was required why would you make the purchase to begin?

You seem like the type of customer that would really benefit from Rich's diamond platinum sapphire setup option (new or used instrument).
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Re: Prestige Quality means leveled frets/no fret buzz?

Wood is wood, and it will settle however it wants. Even the best guitars can need a fret level, badly, and the worst guitars be perfect. 1 in 10 will be perfect, 1 will be horrible, the rest fall between them.
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Re: Prestige Quality means leveled frets/no fret buzz?

Maybe I'm not asking the right questions?
But I really thank you guys for coming in to answer

People keep telling me to sell my brand new guitar,
but it seems you guys all agree that no matter what guitar I buy, it's gonna need some work.

So it seems to me, that whatever guitar I buy, I should expect some work.

I have an LTD Jh600, MIK (Retail $999) in which I bought new mint from a guitar shop owner . $425, and I expected that it would need work. Although he said there was no problems.
But it does
1. Fretwork, it seems no fret is level, probably half of them are off (But the eye says it looks perfectly crowned)
2. No sustain on G string , half of the other strings.
3. No tuning stability (Can play 2 songs before I need to retune it)

A month later, I had a setup with an at home luthier , who made it worse by putting in a paper shim (his own business card) I couldn't even play a single 4 string barre chord, so I ripped it out. I had to reintonate the guitar, the strings were not intonating etc. But those things I already fixed on my own.
He just ate up my money and said go get it done somewhere else and he'd pay half the difference.

Likely the other luthier I talked to who actually built the prototype JEM (Soest) can fix all the problems for roughly $200, but a little less confident on tuning stability since he's not fond of Kahlers.
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If it costs the same no matter what ($200 for any kind of fret level/polish from minor to major) in my area, then what makes a guitar a prestige?
I'm trying to justify buying a over $1000 retail guitar vs a midrange one .

Where is the threshold that a guitar only needs a basic setup to play with decently low action and without repairs? Does it start at USA made customs? Or does it start at RG550s?

I think Frets are the king of all the guitars quality on checklist. If you can't get your frets leveled, crowned then u can't get low action and have to settle for subpar playability or deal with bad sustain and fret buzz.
Next, its the neck and heel. Then the weight balance.
Fortunately, I know Ibanez takes great effort in it's neck and heel. My guitar is weighing in at 9lbs! So getting an Ibanez would really relieve me.
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Re: Prestige Quality means leveled frets/no fret buzz?

If you buy a new guitar at cost, it was either discontinued on blowout, or they knew it was problematic.

There is no "everything is perfect at this level" on any new guitar, although I've heard Gibson Pleks everything now, that doesn't mean other things are perfect.
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Rich, what is this diamond level service u have? Tell me more.
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If it costs the same no matter what ($200 for any kind of fret level/polish from minor to major) in my area, then what makes a guitar a prestige?
I'm trying to justify buying a over $1000 retail guitar vs a midrange one .

Where is the threshold that a guitar only needs a basic setup to play with decently low action and without repairs? Does it start at USA made customs? Or does it start at RG550s?
If you play an Ibanez Prestige back to back with a non-Prestige, (do it a few times), you should be able to get a sense of which is the better instrument. Now add in the $200 setup/fret level/polish/etc., and the the non-Prestige will be better but probably as good as it will get. The Prestige will play itself. That is how I would describe the difference.

What is the humidity like where you live? Low humidity is the what causes the fretboard to shrink and the fret ends to stick out. Where I live, the current humidity level is 18%. When the sun was up, it was 9%. Ideal humidity levels are 45% - 55%. Once the humidity is absorbed back into the fretboard, the wood expands and the frets are now longer a problem. Sometimes, it is easier to just have them filed though.
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^ LOL, there goes 10 pages of OT spam talk with the mods :P

Yes, well I live in California and it's really dry here. Driest place on Earth probably. I don't have any intention of moving locations soon, so really only way is to fix the frets on my current geeeetar.

I think I see Prestige guitars sometimes go 10% higher cost than RG550's used, I can just wait until then. Having a nice prestige come out of a hardshell case must be one nice thing to enjoy
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That was your other thread
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^ LMAO, I think I got lost..totally lost track with the 94 replies :S
And I clicked on EVERY.SINGLE.ONE XD
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