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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-18-2014, 03:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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question about 90's ibanez's

hi, i read a lot of opinions saying that the 90's models are in a different league from what is sold by ibanez in the last years.
is it really true? in what is that difference reflected?
its hard for me to understand because basically the recipe is the same (i'm talking RG's), basswood body, floating tremolo, maple neck and rosewood fingerboard.
i mean, how could it be that different?

the reason i'm asking is i have a 2006 korean RG370DX, and i like it, dont really need another guitar, but i saw some guy selling a 1995 mij RG450/550 (he's not sure what the model is, but i have pictures and can't upload them because of low message count) that needs some love for really cheap and i'm thinking about going for it, seems a really good deal.
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post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-18-2014, 05:42 AM
 
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

oh, If you are talking about 2006 RG370DX vs '90 MIJ RG 550, it's no contest.

but if you are talking about early '90 MIJ RG vs today MIJ prestige RG, it's only a matter of preference.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

can you elaborate? why it's no contest?
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post #4 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-19-2014, 02:34 PM
 
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

A 370 has lower quality build and hardware essentially
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can you elaborate? why it's no contest?
I'll make it simple: The 370 is made in Indonesia. The attention to detail is lacking in a LOT of areas. An old 1993 RG550 neck was hand finished by Japanese luthiers and the attention to detail is MUCH higher.

Now that's not an indictment of all Indo Ibanezes (my 350 seems to be a diamond out of a pile of turds) but there is definitely a difference there.

Prestiges are VERY good guitars (I LOVE my RG2550 and it's my favorite Ibanez that I own) and at the price point, they can compete in quality against any other maker out there.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

The people that work on guitars that come out of Japan have a high level of skill as luthiers.

The people in Indonesia, are probably a small percentage lluthiers and lots of other people just hired off the street with no training at all.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

Its a hard thing to pin down since it has so much folkloric baggage and the guitar world is slightly less objectively-credible-fact driven than whats found in any given voo doo temple.

If you ask me, the high water for industrial guitars, ever, was MIJ from the late 70's into the 80's. They were absolutely making better stuff than we were at the time, but now that there's a bit of hindsight, a narrative is emerging that the period in Japanese guitar making may have represented some of the best stuff, ever, anywhere.

Like, some of the best Fender guitars ever made were from the MIJ period. This is quite the departure from when MIJ was considered the 2nd tier for people who couldn't afford MIA, when you'd see MIJ guitars with the "Made In Japan" gouged off the headstock. The difference is, unlike Cars where your 1986 Chevy Citation blew a transmission at 20K miles and threw a rod at 40K where your Honda Civic went to 200K without a hitch, guitars are judged by subjective factors that are often times motivated by lore and mythos more than objective reasons. Nation of origin became a consumer cue and it still remains that way, today.

Of course, thinking back on when MIJ was considered to be 'less' but now people realizing that in many cases, it was actually superior, it gives one pause when casting aside MIK or MII guitars based on nation of origin alone.

With that being said, with maybe a couple narrow exclusions, I think its very fair to say that there aren't many lower end Ibanez badged imports that can compete with the overall quality levels of any 'golden age' MIJ instrument. There are of course some brilliant guitars being made today that are as good as anything ever made and Korea doesn't want for much when it comes to making guitars. Its usually best to judge spec and quality first, rather than assume that nation of origin arbitrates quality level. MIJ in the 80's turned that theory upside down.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

Here is the guitar in question (from a post on another forum)
450 or 550?
Serial number and make have been removed from the back of the head stock. The OP could ask the seller to remove the neck an look for a stamp to see what the model is. Also not sure what the writing is on the pickups. It does not look like V1 V2 V7 or V8. Looks a bit like Ibz pickups.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

Here is the guitar in question (from a post on another forum)
450 or 550?
Serial number and make have been removed from the back of the head stock. The OP could ask the seller to remove the neck an look for a stamp to see what the model is. Also not sure what the writing is on the pickups. It does not look like V1 V2 V7 or V8. Looks a bit like Ibz pickups.


I'm guessing it is a mid 90's Korean 450.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

Those humbuckers are the ibanez made quantam pups. IIRC they were only on the 6xx series guitars. The middle is the ibanez made S1. The quantams were probably replacements for the v7 and v8.
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Re: question about 90's ibanez's

Looks like an RG550 from between 87-91.
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Looks like an RG550 from between 87-91.
Not with the "RG Series" stamp on the front of the headstock. That came later.
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Those humbuckers are the ibanez made quantam pups. IIRC they were only on the 6xx series guitars. The middle is the ibanez made S1. The quantams were probably replacements for the v7 and v8.
QM1 and QM2.. hmm maybe so. I cant read them at all, though.
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Not with the "RG Series" stamp on the front of the headstock. That came later.

Later years have Lo Pro trems.

Could it be a parts guitar?
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QM1 and QM2.. hmm maybe so. I cant read them at all, though.
I have the QM pups on my RG685. Those are QM1 and QM2 pups, Ibanez's most underrated pups EVER.
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