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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-18-2012, 07:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Question for heavy Trem users.

I'm not a trem guy but just curious. Could you eliminate the locking nut and replace it with a locking tuner/roller nut combo and be just as effective?
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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-18-2012, 08:31 PM
 
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

Depends on who you ask.

Ultimately the answer is no, not if you're going to go crazy. But it should be more than good enough for anything short of lifting the guitar by the trem.
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post #3 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-18-2012, 09:18 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

For me the disadvantages of a locking trem/nut with a floating trem are many.You can't go from one tuning to another on the fly so I block off all my trems.

I was wondering if a less cumbersome method work for as opposed to the locking nut.
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

At the end of the day you are far better off with a fixed bridge setup if you are constantly changing tunings on the one guitar. That or get a bunch of different guitars for each tuning.
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At the end of the day you are far better off with a fixed bridge setup if you are constantly changing tunings on the one guitar. That or get a bunch of different guitars for each tuning.
I agree.
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

I have 8 guitars at the mo.... 6 with floating bridges.... all but one of those is blocked and i leave one floating in case I feel the urge to dive bomb .... I agree with the other guys... just block the term if your gonna be messing with tuning a lot (as I do when my band plays.... we tune to Eb, play Guns N Roses, Tool (in Db)...System Of A Down (Db) and some other stuff and a 7 string for Korn, Slipknot etc....
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I have 8 guitars at the mo.... 6 with floating bridges.... all but one of those is blocked and i leave one floating in case I feel the urge to dive bomb .... I agree with the other guys... just block the term if your gonna be messing with tuning a lot (as I do when my band plays.... we tune to Eb, play Guns N Roses, Tool (in Db)...System Of A Down (Db) and some other stuff and a 7 string for Korn, Slipknot etc....

Did you ditch the locking nut too?
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

Usually I lock the bottom 2 and leave the top 2 strings unlocked so I can detune to top. I find it holds it's tune pretty well!
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

I have a tremol-no on my RG550 and I really like it - it allows me to go from locking down the bridge to full floating very easily...well worth checking out: http://www.tremol-no.com/
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

Tremol-no + D'tuna
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

Another way to go is something like the Morpheus Drop Tune. There is the tinest bit of tone diff (little warmer less sharp when engaged) however when running a OD box with it its a great substitute. The latency is freakin great. I can play fear factory type material with a standard E and the morpheus setting to Low B and it does the job.......

Would I gig with it, prob not. I like the best tone possible and while the average listener wouldnt hear a diff there is always that one douchebag who can and then I feel like the DB..... But if you like to play in diff tuning at home or band practice to refine chops its good enough for that.

Google some vids but also try it out. Prob best used in the loop and the trim level set at 50% but its a great work around.....IMO
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Re: Question for heavy Trem users.

Second on the Morpheus, Excellent results dropping 4 semis, good results beyond. (Maybe one of these days they will be able just drop the low E)

What I do not understand is why people buy FLoyd style guitars and immediately fully block them. I understand the tremol-no, I understand dive only, by why full blocking and not a fixed bridge? Availabilty?
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Second on the Morpheus, Excellent results dropping 4 semis, good results beyond. (Maybe one of these days they will be able just drop the low E)

What I do not understand is why people buy FLoyd style guitars and immediately fully block them. I understand the tremol-no, I understand dive only, by why full blocking and not a fixed bridge? Availabilty?
Ive done this for years....Graphite, Tusq, standard, Bone...all these stick at some point or another. Even with really good locking tuners they can come out of tune, sometimes easy sometimes with a bit more force. But none IMO stay in tune better than a locked nut, especially if your not using the bar...

Im not a trem user but I like as much flexibility as possible when tuning and rock solid stability when Im there.

I like that I can block, Lock and fine tune and stay in tune even after casing for week....
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Second on the Morpheus, Excellent results dropping 4 semis, good results beyond. (Maybe one of these days they will be able just drop the low E)

What I do not understand is why people buy FLoyd style guitars and immediately fully block them. I understand the tremol-no, I understand dive only, by why full blocking and not a fixed bridge? Availabilty?

Availabilty , pretty much. I mean most RG's have some type of Floyd on them. When I u can buy a guitar with everything else about it I like, I just have to suck it up. I block with wood that way it not only stays rock solid in one place it also transfers some vibration to the body.

The other downside of a Floyd (for me) is that the strings don't go through the body. This tends to thin out the tone a bit.

In comparison, my 1421 that I had was equipped with the Tight End string through fixed bridge. The difference in resonance was really noticeable.

My main play is a RG470 with the Lo-TRS. That's not the most desired bridge by most but since I have it totally blocked it's comfortable to plam mute and totally stable. I pick hard with my right hand yet my guitar stays in tune for days. I'm pretty pleased with it
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Availabilty , pretty much. I mean most RG's have some type of Floyd on them. When I u can buy a guitar with everything else about it I like, I just have to suck it up. I block with wood that way it not only stays rock solid in one place it also transfers some vibration to the body.

The other downside of a Floyd (for me) is that the strings don't go through the body. This tends to thin out the tone a bit.

In comparison, my 1421 that I had was equipped with the Tight End string through fixed bridge. The difference in resonance was really noticeable.

My main play is a RG470 with the Lo-TRS. That's not the most desired bridge by most but since I have it totally blocked it's comfortable to plam mute and totally stable. I pick hard with my right hand yet my guitar stays in tune for days. I'm pretty pleased with it
This is such a weird argument for me, the floyd vs fixed bridge tone debate.

Is there a difference I can hear, yes. Sometimes not very strong sometimes just very different. I think some people tend to say its a question of bad and worse but to me its just different.

I have heard some floyded guitars that are just nasty. I had an ESP m2 with a maple board and a JB. Could not stand the sound of it. Was it the thin brittle JB, weas it the Floyd original, the body...I dont know...But when I plugged in (at the time) a RG1550 the tone was miles away different. Much warmer, solid etc....

So even floyds against floyds can have disimilar tones......I will take a brighter sounding guitar that I can re-eq my amp and keep tuning stability over a warmer guitar that I have to readjust constantly. Im sure the same argument over tone was argued 40 years ago when guys said they would take tuning stability of a Paul over the loss of a trem with a strat....
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