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post #16 of 41 (permalink) Old 07-08-2008, 11:03 PM
 
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Re: The RG-350 Experiment(s)

Putting money into a 350 is like putting $2000 rims on a 88' Honda accord with mismatching body panel colors.
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post #17 of 41 (permalink) Old 07-09-2008, 12:49 AM
 
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Putting money into a 350 is like putting $2000 rims on a 88' Honda accord with mismatching body panel colors.
kinda like this? :P


... ya, 3 new 350's <= 1 used player's condition JEM in terms of dishing out the funds.
I've seen some good deals on white Jem's locally lately... check out the c-list and you'd be suprised.

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post #18 of 41 (permalink) Old 07-09-2008, 02:50 PM
 
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Re: The RG-350 Experiment(s)

I'd rather do some extreme mods on an Rg350 than buy a jem with it all already in there.

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OFR Trem (Fits like a glove)
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Jem neck (scallop 21-24)
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Install Trem setter

Id rather have that stuff than a 2000 dollar guitar with it installed in some 'factory'

But thats me! I don't care if you disagree.
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Just buy a JEM.

If you'd rather have a tarted up pile of sh!t than a beautiful player that will hold its value, that's your choice.

It's just an expensive, foolish, and wholly unbeneficial choice.


I'd rather have the real deal than ape it with a crappy wannabe guitar.
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Re: The RG-350 Experiment(s)

In all seriousness you will not get the tone of a jem doing all that stuff to a 350. The use top choice woods for Jems and high end ibbys and use bottom of the barrel for the lower end. However, if doing that makes you happy then go for it.
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In all seriousness you will not get the tone of a jem doing all that stuff to a 350. The use top choice woods for Jems and high end ibbys and use bottom of the barrel for the lower end. However, if doing that makes you happy then go for it.

I used to have a black RG350 EX. I swapped the trem for a higher quality one (i think it was a Schaller Floyd but I dont recall for certain), swapped the pickups for Dimarzios, and compared it side by side to my buddy's JEM in my dorm room. Same amp, same pickups, same settings. The tonal difference between the guitars was NOT significant. The JEM played a little better due to the nicer neck, and sounded a little bit better but that's about it. I bought the RG 350 for like 190 bucks (great deal eh?), pickups for 150 and after selling the edge III I ended up paying about 100 bucks out of pocket for the trem. For under 500 bucks I had a guitar that was to my ears about 85-90% as good as the JEM that sells for over a thousand dollars more (used). I should check my desktop to see if I still have the recordings we made (this was over 2 years ago).

The bottom line is JEMs are great guitars, but the thing that many JEM fanatics dont seem to realize is that a lot of the money you pay for a jem you pay because of the image, some cosmetic niceness, and its association with steve vai. It is an awesome guitar but in my various experiments any well built RG (as in not the 129 dollar ones but the mid-range ones) properly modded with the right top quality parts can stand up to it pretty reasonably.

No need to bash me for this post by the way. I can already see the torrent of "jems are top of the line ibanez instruments, how can you say that?!" raining down on me, lol. It's just my opinion after trying both guitars side by side for well over an hour. I was working full time during that period and couldve easily afforded the jem if i wanted to, so it wasnt really a money thing. In fact, I did my little test with the distinct hope that I would notice some kind of serious significant difference that would lead me to buy one. If the JEM cost maybe 8-900 I wouldve probably gone for it for the nicer neck and slightly better tone, but at 2000+ (I dont like buyin' guitars used usually)...

You may very well try a modded RG and a jem side by side and think that the jem buries it. To each his own .

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I think the thread starter should forget about image for a second (limiting his choices by wanting a white guitar to be "like Steve"). Think about this: nobody cares if your guitar looks a little bit like Vai's. Be yourself. You're telling yourself you need a white guitar with a sustainer and Steve's choice of pickups... why, exactly? Will it impress anyone? Do you really think you can get close to a high-end Ibanez by modding a low-end one?

Forget both the JEM and the RG350. Buying 3 of those would be nothing short of foolish. Take a look at the quality of the guitars in the mid-range. By this, I mean used RG5xx, RG6xx, RG7xx, current Prestige RG's, or guitars such as the RG3120 which can be bought for around $700 in great condition. These guitars, with a decent setup and especially with a pickup upgrade (as and when you can afford it) should be good enough for anyone. I picked up an almost mint condition RG3120 a few years back and it was a very high quality, well-made instrument. It had Dimarzio Tone Zone and PAF Pro pickups, Lo-Pro Edge bridge, flamed maple top on a mahogany back, Prestige finished frets, high quality electronics, and so on. This guitar cost less the 3 RG350's, and no doubt played better than all 3 of them.

I know I may not be very popular around here for saying this, but the Vai infatuation gets ridiculous. Half the members are clones and wannabe's. Yes, I realize it's Jemsite, but there's a line which some people cross occasionally and it's really sad to see. Of course, do what the heck you want as long as it makes you happy, but I honestly would have more respect for a person who isn't trying desperately to be someone else. Let Steve have his own identity, and don't ignore all the great guitars out there merely because it doesn't quite look like your hero's guitar. An RG550, possibly with a pickup upgrade, will keep the majority of us happy for a couple of decades if the guitar is well-looked after.
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I think the thread starter should forget about image for a second (limiting his choices by wanting a white guitar to be "like Steve"). Think about this: nobody cares if your guitar looks a little bit like Vai's. Be yourself. You're telling yourself you need a white guitar with a sustainer and Steve's choice of pickups... why, exactly? Will it impress anyone? Do you really think you can get close to a high-end Ibanez by modding a low-end one?

Forget both the JEM and the RG350. Buying 3 of those would be nothing short of foolish. Take a look at the quality of the guitars in the mid-range. By this, I mean used RG5xx, RG6xx, RG7xx, current Prestige RG's, or guitars such as the RG3120 which can be bought for around $700 in great condition. These guitars, with a decent setup and especially with a pickup upgrade (as and when you can afford it) should be good enough for anyone. I picked up an almost mint condition RG3120 a few years back and it was a very high quality, well-made instrument. It had Dimarzio Tone Zone and PAF Pro pickups, Lo-Pro Edge bridge, flamed maple top on a mahogany back, Prestige finished frets, high quality electronics, and so on. This guitar cost less the 3 RG350's, and no doubt played better than all 3 of them.

I know I may not be very popular around here for saying this, but the Vai infatuation gets ridiculous. Half the members are clones and wannabe's. Yes, I realize it's Jemsite, but there's a line which some people cross occasionally and it's really sad to see. Of course, do what the heck you want as long as it makes you happy, but I honestly would have more respect for a person who isn't trying desperately to be someone else. Let Steve have his own identity, and don't ignore all the great guitars out there merely because it doesn't quite look like your hero's guitar. An RG550, possibly with a pickup upgrade, will keep the majority of us happy for a couple of decades if the guitar is well-looked after.
I agree with almost all of that, but keep in mind it is JEMSITE after all. You almost sound surprised that a bunch of people on here see Steve Vai as the be all and end all for guitar stuff. That'd be like going on a Stars Wars fan site and complaining that they all have luke skywalker avatars .

I do agree with you on most of what you said though. For the price of a JEM in MY opinion (saying this again in case someone skips over those words the first time, MYYYY opinion) there are many better guitars out there, but that's a thread that's been done to death. people will like what they like and buy what they like, and they deserve the right to do whatever the hell they want with their bucks. In my case I gave my bucks to a local luthier who builds excellent quality guitars and parts and got myself 2 instruments that are a combo of whats currently available and totally custom handmade stuff that's more "me" than any stock instrument available (ok, so one does have a vine of life... I like the inlay ). There is no right or wrong as long as the person forkin' over the cash is happy.

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Its hilarious how people have to explicitly write "my opinion".

My advice would be to get a 350 to mod and experiment with, and a 550 as a main.
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Its hilarious how people have to explicitly write "my opinion".
You beat to it. I have a friend who after posting on message boards says that to me all the time. I can ask his opinion on a piece of gear and he wont give me a straight answer. He starts or ends every idea with "my opinion".
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Its hilarious how people have to explicitly write "my opinion".

My advice would be to get a 350 to mod and experiment with, and a 550 as a main.
Well if you've ever tried posting an opinion here on jemsite without specifically stating it as "MY OPINION" you'd know why everyone does that man, haha. I guarantee you if i didnt write that in my post I'd get a million posts like "have you ever EVEN TRIED a jem man????"; "you mean to say there are high quality guitars besides jems?"; "jems are made by steve vai's carpet lint as he sleeps they cant be beat!!!"'...etc etc, and some people are bound to say something like "oh you cant afford a jem so thats why you say stuff like that" despite the fact that I have two guitars that each cost as much as a used JEM. There are people everywhere willing and jumping at the opportunity to misinterpret what you said and start some crap. As fun and informative as forums are that's the one thing i've always hated. No matter how innocently or literally you say something theres always a few people who are gonna take offense if you dont specifically point out that this is just in YOUR opinion. I guess because people see others disagree with their opinion and if it looks like it might possibly be meant that the person believes what they say is fact they feel threatened and have to attack. It's kind of sad because it should be obvious that something you say about a particular guitar or topic IS your opinion...maddox's article on that says it best:

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You guys write so much crap I don't even bother reading it, just bashing everyone who even ponders the idea of using a guitar made of a different wood than a Jem! oh lord! If I get a guitar with a tone I like, then I keep it. I'm not buying a Jem to make everyone around me happy.
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You guys write so much crap I don't even bother reading it, just bashing everyone who even ponders the idea of using a guitar made of a different wood than a Jem! oh lord! If I get a guitar with a tone I like, then I keep it. I'm not buying a Jem to make everyone around me happy.
My crap was crap written with me on your side lol. I had an RG350 with modded pickups and trem and it sounded and played amazingly well and only ended up costing me under 500. Dude, no one but you has to be happy with your guitars. I wouldnt have bothered with custom built guitars (that dont hold their value, and in many cases really arent even re-sellable) if I were satisfied with what stock guitars offered me, so ignore what everyone else says. I dont even understand why people say that crap about like "oh dude if you build a custom it wont have good resale value" when for almost everyone who goes about it the point of a custom is to get EXACTLY what you want in a guitar because what you want isnt offered in a Guitar Center store. You're not going to WANT to resell it if all goes well. I know I wouldnt part with mine for any amount of money, even though I know there might be prettier and higher quality guitars out there because these are 100% what I want, no more and no less.

You're gonna be playing the guitar, and all that matters if that YOU like it. It's certainly nice to get compliments on a guitar that you either built or customized, that always feels good, but whats most important is that you get what you want.

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You guys write so much crap I don't even bother reading it, just bashing everyone who even ponders the idea of using a guitar made of a different wood than a Jem! oh lord! If I get a guitar with a tone I like, then I keep it. I'm not buying a Jem to make everyone around me happy.
Who's shocked by this post? The guy asks for input then gets upset when he doesnt like the input. Go ahead, if you want to throw money away trying to make three lesser quality guitar's something they arent then do it, but dont ask for input then btch about it when it isn't supporting you.
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Who's shocked by this post? The guy asks for input then gets upset when he doesnt like the input. Go ahead, if you want to throw money away trying to make three lesser quality guitar's something they arent then do it, but dont ask for input then btch about it when it isn't supporting you.
That much I'll agree with...if you literally say "what do you guys think" then respect people's opinions. I don't agree with people that said stuff like "you cant shine s***"...because from personal experience and comparisons I've seen that a mid range RG with some high quality mods can be a great guitar that to my ears comes about 85-90% close to the quality of tone a JEM gets, but I respect their right to say and write what they want. Elcid's totally right on this one...when you ask for opinions dont whine that they're not all "yeah man that's totally awesome do it!".
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