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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-04-2012, 10:00 PM Thread Starter
 
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RG1570 Pickup question. :-/

I have an RG1570, I swapped out the V7/V8 and put in a QM1/QM2 pickup set. They sounds worlds better, and older OEMs are about all I can afford. With the correct EQ settings they are very versatile and sound great. Bassicly just set the mids/highs almost flat and you get a very good 80s rock tone, and give it a little more mids/highs and it gets a very good heavy metal tone. Roll off the highs and add some mid and they are really good for leads. Good cleans too. I know allot of people really like these, and I read what I could prior to buying them. MY question is, for those who have used or heard these, if I was to go with a tone zone in the bridge and a PAF pro in the neck how much better would it sound. I would attempt to get hese used for a great deal, if possible as that is all I can afford. This would be an attempt to copy the F2/F4 setup that people say is amazing.

Is there a Ibanez spec for pickup height ? The pickups have always sat about 4mm from the strings. That to me seems kind of far. I am used to 2mm, sometimes closer. They have amazing output even that far from the strings.

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The DiMarzios will sound much better!

Set the height where you get the best sound--everyone likes them different, so follow your ears.



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The DiMarzios will sound much better!

Set the height where you get the best sound--everyone likes them different, so follow your ears.
I have foam under both, and I have the rear lower. The bridge, it seems from my experience should be higher, based on other makes. Every Ibanez I have bought has had the pickups lower than I would like(~3.5mm). With the surface mount it is just a pain to get them really close to the strings. Duncan says to set them 1/8-1/16 which would be 2-3mm. I guess they are only a little low based on those specs.. It sounds fine, but I have no idea what it would sound like higher. From an output stand point they seem fine, not lacking. I guess a little low would be safer than creating intonation, tuning and sustain issues.
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I have foam under both, and I have the rear lower. The bridge, it seems from my experience should be higher, based on other makes. Every Ibanez I have bought has had the pickups lower than I would like(~3.5mm). With the surface mount it is just a pain to get them really close to the strings. Duncan says to set them 1/8-1/16 which would be 2-3mm. I guess they are only a little low based on those specs.. It sounds fine, but I have no idea what it would sound like higher. From an output stand point they seem fine, not lacking. I guess a little low would be safer than creating intonation, tuning and sustain issues.

Pickup height has nothing to do with tuning or intonation.



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Pickup height has nothing to do with tuning or intonation.
You get the rear pickup close enough it can really screw with things, they even made a term for it "stratitis". I have never had it happen on a bridge pickup, but the neck oh yeah. It is probably more common on strats do to the pickup position and the scale length.
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Does any one have experience with the quantums as compared to magnet swapped Vs ?
I just swapped my magnets and was thinking about seeing how they sounded, if there is a possibility they may sound better.
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Pickup height has nothing to do with tuning or intonation.
If your p/ups are too close they will pull harder on the strings and can cause intonation problems... along with odd vibratory patterns often causing a warbling effect.

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You get the rear pickup close enough it can really screw with things, they even made a term for it "stratitis". I have never had it happen on a bridge pickup, but the neck oh yeah. It is probably more common on strats do to the pickup position and the scale length.
I believe Strats have this problem more because of the single coil p/ups. The magnets used are fairly strong, and the pole piece itself is the magnet, unlike a humbucker where the magnet is actually under the coils with the pole conducting the magnetic field through the coil... making it comparatively weaker.

I've setup many guitars with single coils that were brought to me with the complaint, "It just sounds strange." and the problem was simply they had the single coil pickups less than one millimeter from the strings.

Even with humbuckers I find I get a much smoother tone if I set them about 3mm from the strings... a little closer on the high E side though.

Ibanez recommends about 3mm

Dimarzio recommends 2mm on bass side, 1.5mm on the treble side.

But as noted by my esteemed colleague; use your ears. What I like, you may not... and vise-verse.

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If the pickups are that high--yes, they would affect the pull--but they'd have to be really close to the strings. Anything raised that high would sound like crap, too...LOL.


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If your p/ups are too close they will pull harder on the strings and can cause intonation problems... along with odd vibratory patterns often causing a warbling effect.



I believe Strats have this problem more because of the single coil p/ups. The magnets used are fairly strong, and the pole piece itself is the magnet, unlike a humbucker where the magnet is actually under the coils with the pole conducting the magnetic field through the coil... making it comparatively weaker.

I've setup many guitars with single coils that were brought to me with the complaint, "It just sounds strange." and the problem was simply they had the single coil pickups less than one millimeter from the strings.

Even with humbuckers I find I get a much smoother tone if I set them about 3mm from the strings... a little closer on the high E side though.

Ibanez recommends about 3mm

Dimarzio recommends 2mm on bass side, 1.5mm on the treble side.

But as noted by my esteemed colleague; use your ears. What I like, you may not... and vise-verse.


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If the pickups are that high--yes, they would affect the pull--but they'd have to be really close to the strings. Anything raised that high would sound like crap, too...LOL.
Well, too many people only stating that 'closer is louder' causing the uninformed to think; 'as close as possible must be better'.

What would be better to tell those that ask is, 'Closer is louder, but too close is crappier.'

Like I said though, I do find a much smoother, if not as loud, tone at about 3mm on my buckers, and about 3.5 to 4 on the singles.
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Well, too many people only stating that 'closer is louder' causing the uninformed to think; 'as close as possible must be better'.

What would be better to tell those that ask is, 'Closer is louder, but too close is crappier.'

Like I said though, I do find a much smoother, if not as loud, tone at about 3mm on my buckers, and about 3.5 to 4 on the singles.
I had a problem with my strat when i put hot rails in it, and was quite surprised to find out about the problems the rear pickup can cause.

As i have been researching the pickup height on my RG I have found an amazing amount of information that would indicate lower pickups may actually sound better a good deal of the time.
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As i have been researching the pickup height on my RG I have found an amazing amount of information that would indicate lower pickups may actually sound better a good deal of the time.
What he said.
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Re: RG1570 Pickup question. :-/

Funny its been 2-3 days since I've been adjusting the height of mine.

More interesting is I currently ended-up lowering the tonezone really low (but raising few polepieces) and the air-norton is very high :P

After setting both pickups individually by ear I then switched to middle (both active) and adjusted more detailed to get the best sound. The upper side of the norton is a little lower than the treble now.

Still need maybe 1-2 days to get it perfect, I record the results to compare which has been very useful and time saving
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