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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-30-2018, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
 
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RG657K or MSK vs 2018 RG570 modded

Hi there, im quite new to this prestige line never been really into ibanez but i had a old old rg370dx and really liked the neck trem etc...
My question is simple. I have a team J craft base and a brand new Evolution set hsh.
If i modify a brand new rg570 with evos and i already have the prestige case. Is it quite the same quality as a 657?

Spec wise its about the same so im lost...

Are the Genesis guitars prestiges without pickups and case and the neck joint?

I really want a new guitar day =) but if i can save about 700$ by having new parts laying around.... why not?

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Re: RG657K or MSK vs 2018 RG570 modded

The maple Genesis RGs are missing the "prestige fret end treatment" and thus are not called Prestige. (see link below for example)
Electric Guitars AR - AR2619 Prestige | Ibanez guitars

That differs from the "Artstar Fret Edge Treatment" of course, it's crystal clear
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Well in the 2018 Catalog its written that they do.
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^ sorry edited above ... the quality of these are the same except the maple boards don't have the rounder edges. Pickups and neck joint don't make "prestige". A vocal minority complained the maple boards lacking the "prestige fret end treatment" and seemingly causing Ibanez to not brand these as "Prestige" in 2018. The forum experts say that the Prestige branding is clear & easy to google though.
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So if i get a rosewood 570 only the joint doesnt make it a prestige?
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No, the only thing not making it "prestige" is Ibanez not including that badge/logo/decal/stencil for marketing &/or support reasons.

From an Ibanez perspective you can understand they wouldn't want have some of the the Genesis MIJ by Fujigen prestige (521/570) and some not prestige (550) because of the fret ends are less manicured on the 550 maple. This is a consequence Ibanez (and dealers) now have to live with (creating customer & branding confusion).

The neck joint & pickups have no bearing on "prestige" on any model line.
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Vocal minority? Truth or fiction.

Finally the 550 is listed accurately. The 570 is listed accurately.
Now they need to revise the rest of the website and correct all the 657 and 652's with maple and list the spec correctly on those also.
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Nice infos. But if your were in my place. Here in canada... i get the 570 at about 1300 with taxes and the 657msk or k at about 2k1... specifically playing capabilities, are those guitars equivalent? (Minus the case and the pickups, obviously.)
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The 657 is mahogany, the 570 basswood, besides the pickups which are the biggest component of tone that would be the biggest secondary component. To me the 657 is a much nicer looking guitar, but you are paying the premium for it over the Genesis.
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That makes sense. Thanks alot you two for specific answers. =)
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Re: RG657K or MSK vs 2018 RG570 modded

I'm th_is close to pulling the trigger on an RG657 MSK myself...but I'm curious (and I think I know the answer)...is the "Silky Oak Top" just a veneer or is it at least a 4mm cap? I asked a dude with one of the very few Youtube clips of these out there (either these are not popular or not many surfaced because there's like 5 clips, weird for such sweet looking axe) and he was positive it's a legit cap, siting "the price range" as a factor (?). I'm skeptical though and it's def not a deal breaker, I think a lightweight mahogany body RG with birdseye maple neck and the right pickups would be a great tonally balanced guitar. Anyone? Rich?
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Vocal minority? Truth or fiction.

Finally the 550 is listed accurately. The 570 is listed accurately.
Now they need to revise the rest of the website and correct all the 657 and 652's with maple and list the spec correctly on those also.

Hi Rich so if I understand you correctly even the maple board RG652AHM does not have the Prestige fret end treatment?
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Hi Rich so if I understand you correctly even the maple board RG652AHM does not have the Prestige fret end treatment?
They do not, even though it says they do on Ibanez.com. My show pics are online, these are the distributor modified ends on the new orange. They come in with nothing from Japan.

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I'm th_is close to pulling the trigger on an RG657 MSK myself...but I'm curious (and I think I know the answer)...is the "Silky Oak Top" just a veneer or is it at least a 4mm cap? I asked a dude with one of the very few Youtube clips of these out there (either these are not popular or not many surfaced because there's like 5 clips, weird for such sweet looking axe) and he was positive it's a legit cap, siting "the price range" as a factor (?). I'm skeptical though and it's def not a deal breaker, I think a lightweight mahogany body RG with birdseye maple neck and the right pickups would be a great tonally balanced guitar. Anyone? Rich?
Veneer. Anytime the edge is bound it's hiding it's a veneer top.
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Veneer. Anytime the edge is bound it's hiding it's a veneer top.
Ok, thank you! I'm still leaning towards grabbing it, the neck is just insanely special feeling (and looking as it's loaded with the best birdseye character I recall ever seeing, extremely even both across and up/down the length of the board, has a really cool vibe about it). Since my earlier post, I called my long time friend (and local to me dealer) and he said the same thing as you, "got to be a veneer" - however he added that he's heard the very latest prestige stuff now may have slightly thicker than recent year veneers, where it's not at least like a "couple sheets of paper"lol. We'll see...and not that it matters tonally since it needs to be at least 4mm or more to start factoring in anyway. If I do get it I think I'll remove the neck and take a peek in the pocket for grins and see what's what. Thanks again for the help!
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