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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 04-04-2015, 03:21 AM Thread Starter
 
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Roadcore: Standard, Premium and Prestige

Hi guys, I'd to get a Roadcore in the next weeks. I have read a lot of threads on this forum but I don't understand if the woods on that different models is the same or are different (expecially between Prestige and Premium).
I don't care of eletronics and pickups (because I can change it) but I'm only interested in quality of wood.

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 04-04-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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Re: Roadcore: Standard, Premium and Prestige

I just checked the specs of the Premium RC you guys have in Europe. Here's the comparison:

Standard RC:

You guys have some cool models there.

1. RG365H a Semi-hollow mahogany body with 2 core tone pups (bridge humbucker with single in the neck) with a fixed bridge.
2. RC330T. 3 single coil Core tones, fixed bridge, Basswood body, rosewood fingerboard, maple neck.
3. RC320M. Mahogany body, maple fingerboard, 2 core tone humbuckers.
4. RC330. Tight tune bridge Mahogany body, rosewood fingerboard, 2 core tone humbuckers.

Premium

RC720: Mahogany back, rosewood top, rosewood fingerboard, tight tune bridge, 2 core tone humbuckers.

Prestige:

RC1320. Mahogany body, rosewood fingerboard, tight tune bridge, Duncan JB and 59 humbuckers.

When I look at all these specs, the one I would choose is the Premium. I dunno, I am not a big Duncan pup fan, and my RC is a Japan market model (for now), with an alder body and a super 58 in the neck (same pup george benson and pat metheny still use, to this day, on their signature semi-hollow Ibanezes). You could always find a shop that sells overseas and get one of the Japanese prestige Roadcores like my Screamer's green metallic.

http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/ser...d=105&cat_id=1
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tight tune bridge >> TOM
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Re: Roadcore: Standard, Premium and Prestige

damn why do the european and japanese roadcore models rock so much harder than the american? i want a roadcore with a mahogany body...

guess i'll stick with basswood unless i can find an overseas dealer
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Re: Roadcore: Standard, Premium and Prestige

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I just checked the specs of the Premium RC you guys have in Europe. Here's the comparison:

Standard RC:

You guys have some cool models there.

1. RG365H a Semi-hollow mahogany body with 2 core tone pups (bridge humbucker with single in the neck) with a fixed bridge.
2. RC330T. 3 single coil Core tones, fixed bridge, Basswood body, rosewood fingerboard, maple neck.
3. RC320M. Mahogany body, maple fingerboard, 2 core tone humbuckers.
4. RC330. Tight tune bridge Mahogany body, rosewood fingerboard, 2 core tone humbuckers.

Premium

RC720: Mahogany back, rosewood top, rosewood fingerboard, tight tune bridge, 2 core tone humbuckers.

Prestige:

RC1320. Mahogany body, rosewood fingerboard, tight tune bridge, Duncan JB and 59 humbuckers.

When I look at all these specs, the one I would choose is the Premium. I dunno, I am not a big Duncan pup fan, and my RC is a Japan market model (for now), with an alder body and a super 58 in the neck (same pup george benson and pat metheny still use, to this day, on their signature semi-hollow Ibanezes). You could always find a shop that sells overseas and get one of the Japanese prestige Roadcores like my Screamer's green metallic.

http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/ser...d=105&cat_id=1
Ok thanks, but I have to understand if the mahogany used for the body or maple and rosewood for the neck is the same in all models...

The price is about 300-350 euro for standard, 650 euro for premium and 1150 euro for prestige...
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damn why do the european and japanese roadcore models rock so much harder than the american? i want a roadcore with a mahogany body...

guess i'll stick with basswood unless i can find an overseas dealer
I know of a couple. PM me if you want the info.

BTW, the Japanese market RCs are all Alder bodies. The GREAT thing about the RC1720M (the model I have) is that it has the Super 58 pup in the neck. That pup is AMAZING. It gets all the tones I want, and it does traditional metal VERY well.
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Ok thanks, but I have to understand if the mahogany used for the body or maple and rosewood for the neck is the same in all models...

The price is about 300-350 euro for standard, 650 euro for premium and 1150 euro for prestige...
Personally, I don't care about that much detail about the wood, but I would assume that the premiums and standards use similar grade woods, as they are all built in Indonesia and the MIJ Prestige might have a higher grade. I can't say for sure because I don't know and I don't personally care, but if you're that worried about it, get the prestige.
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Personally, I don't care about that much detail about the wood, but I would assume that the premiums and standards use similar grade woods, as they are all built in Indonesia and the MIJ Prestige might have a higher grade. I can't say for sure because I don't know and I don't personally care, but if you're that worried about it, get the prestige.
Matias IMHO the wood is a more important thing in a guitar. Otherwise would be convenient buy the cheaper one and change electronics and hardware to have a top class guitar.
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Matias IMHO the wood is a more important thing in a guitar. Otherwise would be convenient buy the cheaper one and change electronics and hardware to have a top class guitar.
It has nothing to do with the "quality" imo. A tree gave it's life to give you the guitar that you want to play. Who cares that it's "less" than AAAAAAAA class wood. A living organism was killed so you could play an instrument. I think THAT'S more important than the "quality" of the wood.

Ever since I sold my RG350EXZ, I've felt terrible. That guitar played amazingly, and while it probably needed some work done to it to get it up to where my MIJs are, that guitar taught me A LOT and it was a standard Indo RG.

Oh and let's not forget Paul gilbert, who used to purposely buy cheap guitars so that he could make them sound better. Yes, he is a special case, but if he is willing to put in the effort to get a nice sound out of a cheap guitar that doesn't have "quality" wood, I don't think the rest of us should either.
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It has nothing to do with the "quality" imo. A tree gave it's life to give you the guitar that you want to play. Who cares that it's "less" than AAAAAAAA class wood. A living organism was killed so you could play an instrument. I think THAT'S more important than the "quality" of the wood.

Ever since I sold my RG350EXZ, I've felt terrible. That guitar played amazingly, and while it probably needed some work done to it to get it up to where my MIJs are, that guitar taught me A LOT and it was a standard Indo RG.

Oh and let's not forget Paul gilbert, who used to purposely buy cheap guitars so that he could make them sound better. Yes, he is a special case, but if he is willing to put in the effort to get a nice sound out of a cheap guitar that doesn't have "quality" wood, I don't think the rest of us should either.
It's my opinion naturally. I'm not I have no pleasure to play a guitar with "dead" and not resonant wood, thus I opened the 3d.
I buyed a Ibanez AR 220, good guitar but I can feel that the guitar isn't "top". I am not speaking of AAA grade wood, only resonant and alive one. I don't play metal stuff with a lot of gain... in that case the wood don't have importance on final sound. I play blues so a good guitar FOR ME is a guitar with good wood.
English isn't my language so for me is hard speak of this stuff...
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It's my opinion naturally. I'm not I have no pleasure to play a guitar with "dead" and not resonant wood, thus I opened the 3d.
I buyed a Ibanez AR 220, good guitar but I can feel that the guitar isn't "top". I am not speaking of AAA grade wood, only resonant and alive one. I don't play metal stuff with a lot of gain... in that case the wood don't have importance on final sound. I play blues so a good guitar FOR ME is a guitar with good wood.
English isn't my language so for me is hard speak of this stuff...
English may be my first language but I do speak Japanese fluently. I understand how hard it can be sometimes to try to explain yourself in a language you are not perfect at communicating in.

I play metal, but I am also trying to play some blues. My point is that we, as guitar players, get too wrapped up in things that, tbh, aren't as important as we make them out to be.
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I play metal, but I am also trying to play some blues. My point is that we, as guitar players, get too wrapped up in things that, tbh, aren't as important as we make them out to be.
This is know as GAS!
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This is know as GAS!
You're telling me If I had more money, I'd have at least 3 or 4 more guitars
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I know of a couple. PM me if you want the info.

BTW, the Japanese market RCs are all Alder bodies. The GREAT thing about the RC1720M (the model I have) is that it has the Super 58 pup in the neck. That pup is AMAZING. It gets all the tones I want, and it does traditional metal VERY well.
I've read that the super 58 is a highly sought after pup in the ibanez line (it's one of the rare ones isn't it?). So you'd say it is much better than the "core" models that adorn the american and -i assume- european models?
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I've read that the super 58 is a highly sought after pup in the ibanez line (it's one of the rare ones isn't it?). So you'd say it is much better than the "core" models that adorn the american and -i assume- european models?
Well, the Core tones are REALLY nice pickups for the bridge. They have a great punch and clarity for rhythm playing. The super 58 is a vintagey PAF type pup, but clarity like you can't imagine.

The combination of these pups can basically do just about any genre of music (outside of downtuned modern/extreme metal). I get GREAT clean tones and GREAT high gain tones (I play a lot of Judas Priest and these pups work GREAT for stuff like that).
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