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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 10-14-2010, 04:45 PM Thread Starter
 
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S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

Hello, I expose my problem:
Saturday I bought a new guitar: Ibanez S5470 TKS.
It 's just fantastic ... a sound that really do not think I could ever get, clean, distorted ... is always accurate ... not to mention the keyboard ... practically plays itself!
Yesterday, though, I balked at the attempt because of a quirk that, playing a few days ago, I noticed, but perhaps to a defendant Picking dirty. Well ...
THE penultimate octave of all A note die almost instantly. That is, playing the first chord to the key 5, the second string to the key 10, the third string to the key 14, the fourth to the button 19 and the fifth to the key 24, the note sounds good, but within a second fades in half artificial harmonic on and off.

Initially, having noted the key 14 of the third string, I thought of a small misalignment of the key 15 į touched the rope. But no ... he does all the strings, and only on that note! I even tried to loosen or tighten the strings and the phenomenon moves forward or backward according to the weird (that is on the 13th or 15th fret). So it's definitely something related to that specific frequency.
I thought about a kind of resonance with the bridge ... but actually the resonance would amplify the sound or maybe it whistle, not certain damping so quickly!
What do you think could it be? Any owner of this guitar can check if he has this problem? Because in the store there was another model (the black leather) and I asked to try to verify that it was not a peculiarity of mine, but also showed the same defect.
I went to the store where there was a lutist, and, after verifying the general setup of the instrument (action, pickup height, etc.) advised me to try to change the strings, but he is doubtful about the success of the intervention . Nevertheless reassured me that I probably should move this feature over time.
Since I have to decide quickly on whether to replace the guitar with another model, I have some advice from you even on this last thing.

Thanks in advance
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 10-14-2010, 05:56 PM
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

Are you trying to say that when you perform tapped harmonics ie play a note and tap the same note lightly an octave higher that the note when tapped does not sustain properly and dies off quickly??? Or... that all A notes when fretted on:

High E string: 5th fret
B string 10th fret
G String 14th fret
D String 19th fret
A String 24th fret

Do not sustain??

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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 10-15-2010, 04:20 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

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Are you trying to say that when you perform tapped harmonics ie play a note and tap the same note lightly an octave higher that the note when tapped does not sustain properly and dies off quickly??? Or... that all A notes when fretted on:

High E string: 5th fret
B string 10th fret
G String 14th fret
D String 19th fret
A String 24th fret

Do not sustain??
Hi, it's the second you said. All that A notes don't sustain at all. In a few seconds (1 or 2 max) the sound is dropped as I was palm muting it.
This is very strange thing.
If the string is toned half a tone higher than the issue moves to the thirteenth fret (G string) instead of the fourteenth and vice versa, that means it's not a problem of setup.

Excuse me for my bad english
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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 11-01-2010, 11:10 PM
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

Something on the guitar is resonating at at 440Hz in a way that it's 'eating up' the sustain.

Make sure everything is tight, deaden the springs somehow (I find pulling a small strip of window insulation into them works great) check the truss rod nut, make sure it's not loose (falls under 'make sure everything is tight')

If none of that helps, it may be the wood itself, neck or body, that is the problem. Check the frets too, make sure none of them are loose (very unlikely).

Guitars are quirky, my RG520 when sustaining a D anywhere on the neck for several seconds will eventually ring into it's octave harmonic. Nothing I can do about it, but it takes long enough that it doesn't effect normal playing. Just if I ring a D out pretty long.
I consider it part of the guitars personality.
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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-10-2010, 03:01 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

Hi, I just wanted to say that, now that's been two months of purchase, the A problem on almost no more. Now feels almost solely on the fourth string to the nineteenth fret.
A few days after my post here had begun to give the same problem, the D, but now nothing happens to it. The guitar is outstanding, the best I've ever played.

Thank you all for your interest
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post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-11-2010, 05:47 AM
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

I was having a similar problem, and it had to do with an issue with the zero bridge. I'm not sure what you'd call this part of the trem, but its the piece that the fine tuners push down. You might notice that it has some wiggle room, especially on the higher strings. To solve my problem, I screwed the fine tuners all the way down, now all my frets have very nice sustain. Hope this helps.
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I was having a similar problem, and it had to do with an issue with the zero bridge. I'm not sure what you'd call this part of the trem, but its the piece that the fine tuners push down. You might notice that it has some wiggle room, especially on the higher strings. To solve my problem, I screwed the fine tuners all the way down, now all my frets have very nice sustain. Hope this helps.
Okay... and after you lock the nut, how do you tune the guitar if you have the fine tuners screwed all the way in?
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post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 08:22 AM
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

Get your strings as close to in tune as possible, maybe just a little sharp. I can back the fine tuners out a little without it messing with my sustain.

It's like this, I can either be limited with my fine tuners or have sustain problems. Or you can come up with another creative solution.
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post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 09:02 AM
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

Okay, where exactly do your fine tuners have 'wiggle room'?

Perhaps if you describe the problem in a little more detail someone could come up with a better solution that limiting your tuning range by turning the fine tuners all the way in.
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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 04:44 PM
 
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Re: S5470 - quick dump on A (14th fret of G string)

If the fine tuner is backed out too much, there will be small gaps (blue lines) here allowing this piece (red outline) to move left and right. For me, it's not too much of a big deal though. I'm still able to be perfectly in tune. I just have to set it right before I tighten the locking pads.


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