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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-14-2006, 11:41 PM Thread Starter
 
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SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

after looking at the marked upgrade in the bridge make (SAT Pro) as well as the inclusion of the Pat Pending True Duo humbucker, one would wonder if the SA series are being geared up to move up the Ibanez hierarchy...

what's everyone's opinion on this, especially those of you who have played/ bought this year's offerings?
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-15-2006, 02:51 PM
 
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

The guitars look very nice, they play well, and the SAT Pro bridge is very nice BUT the guitars really sound like crap with the stock pickups. Those True Duo humbuckers are just HORRIBLE!!! I mean, the single coil sound isn't bad at all but the humbucker sound is just so horrible that it made me want to stop playing the guitar. It was a real letdown because the guitars are freakin' gorgeous and from the batch that I played it seems like they've made the necks a bit less chunky because they feel more like Fender necks than baseball bats.
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

makes us wonder if the people behind the R&D are truly guitar proponents or just novelty merchants...
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

i played one of the cheap sa guitars(and others) and was impressed with the playablity feel and look . the pickups were crap though . The infinity pickups aren't too horrible but the sa line pickups suck . I am digging the duncan designed pickups that ibanez is using in the sz line . I have played a few duncan models and hated them but the ones in the Sz are really really good stock pickups .
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

You know... a fixed bridge SA or Edge equipped SA with HSS would totally rock.
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

I agree that the Duncan Designed pickups in the SZ line are very good stock pickups. They are a step above the Infinity pickups in the RG3xx line which are definitely better than the powersounds and the pickups in the SA line.
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i played one of the cheap sa guitars(and others) and was impressed with the playablity feel and look . the pickups were crap though . The infinity pickups aren't too horrible but the sa line pickups suck . I am digging the duncan designed pickups that ibanez is using in the sz line . I have played a few duncan models and hated them but the ones in the Sz are really really good stock pickups .
bro- which specific model you tried?

Duncan pickups in SZ- somehow this pairing works & it shows that Ibanez sound good with non-Dimarzio units as well. for those of you who like the Duncan Ibanez pickups, make sure you try the American 'Seymour Duncan IBZ' version in the Prestige SZ.
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

i owned the sa2020 and currently own a sa1260 (introduced in 2004, promptly discontinued in 2005). i had wanted the 1260 because it was a bolt on and made in the japanese factory, but i missed my chance. didn't think ibanez would discontinue it so soon. anyway, in 2005 they introduced the replacement for the 1260, which was the 2020. i was a little underwhelmed, as this guitar has a set neck and was korean made, but was willing to give it a try when i saw it cheap on e-bay. when i got it, i was even more disappointed. the neck was really thick...and i like fairly strat-like necks (as opposed to the thin wizard necks). the fretboard radius supposedly had not changed, but it didn't feel right to me at all. worse of all, the guitar sounded lifeless unamplified. plugging it in to the amp didn't make things any better. the dimarzio ibz pickups were way too tinty and cheap sounding to my ears. they should've stuck with the v series, specifically the v8s & v7s, which sound much warmer and closer to real (mid output) dimarzios imo. i immediately unloaded that guitar on e-bay asap.

about a year later (a few months ago actually), i found a near pristine sa1260. these guitars are ultra rare in my experience. i snatched it up and crossed my fingers. upon receiving it, i was pleasantly surprised. the 1260 is a much better guitar imo. the neck feels much better as does the fingerboard. the guitar sounds better unamplified (i attribute this to superior construction) and while the bridge pickup isn't the greatest (i think it's a v6), the single coils (it's a HSS as opposed to the 2020, which is a HH) sound fantastic, really bluesy and 'tubular'. i will be switching out the bridge humbucker, but the single coils will have to stay.
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

The Prestige SA shown in NAMM looks interesting...the black one with the maple fingerboard.
i wonder if it's a regular production model, or just some "special" crap that normal people will never have the chance to try.

SA's are nice idea coz they're "strat-like"... but they gotta get the neck right damnit. it needs a rounder radius, or even better a compound radius. width at the nut should be 42mm. and the neck profile should be more of a thin "U shape" rather than like a wizard II.

If tried a few SA's at stores. All of em look very good, but i've had a few that were lifeless -- absolutely poor resonance -- i don't know if it's the quality of the wood or the construction...
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rastachild: i own the SA2020- yes it's a Korean + departure from the skinny necked Wizard Ibanez models, but it's a good guitar per se. i guess that it all boils down to personal preferences.

my experiences with the Korean Prestige SZ/ SA- a good guitar is a good guitar, regardless of where it's made.
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If tried a few SA's at stores. All of em look very good, but i've had a few that were lifeless -- absolutely poor resonance -- i don't know if it's the quality of the wood or the construction...
agree with you there. the thing with the Korean Prestige units- they lack consistency. for the money that we are forking for them, we would expect the product to reflect the tag they are carrying: 'PRESTIGE'
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bro- which specific model you tried?

Duncan pickups in SZ- somehow this pairing works & it shows that Ibanez sound good with non-Dimarzio units as well. for those of you who like the Duncan Ibanez pickups, make sure you try the American 'Seymour Duncan IBZ' version in the Prestige SZ.

i tried the 160qm and the 220(i belive, didn't look) . Like i said they played great but i didn't care for the pickups. The 160 would be worth it to get one used and put some good pickups in .
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if you can get hold of the ash bodied SA160 (discontinued)- it'd be great...
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Re: SA Series 2006- genuine attention?

I agree that some of the SA's seem to be hit or miss as far as resonance goes. I've played quite a few that lacked any real resonance but I have found a few new ones that resonated quite nicely but still needed better pickups. The SA guitars are a good idea, but I think they should include one option with a fixed bridge.
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I agree that some of the SA's seem to be hit or miss as far as resonance goes. I've played quite a few that lacked any real resonance but I have found a few new ones that resonated quite nicely but still needed better pickups. The SA guitars are a good idea, but I think they should include one option with a fixed bridge.
+1 to the fixed bridge suggestion.

and germx, i agree, a good guitar is a good guitar no matter where it's made, which is why i was willing to give the 2020 a try. but i have witnessed the 'hit or miss' syndrome with korean made guitars far too many times in the past (also with a js700 that would not intonate correctly because of incorrect stud placement of the wraparound bridge). i probably won't ever buy a korean guitar without playing it first. the japanese ibanezes i've bought online have been amazingly consistent, so i do think it is either a wood quality or construction issue.
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