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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-22-2014, 10:18 PM Thread Starter
 
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saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

I've re-intonated the 540r that I got last month. It was off, most noticeably on the low e string.

I've got every other string intonated just about perfectly but the low e string is still quite a ways off (almost a d# at the 12th fret).

The problem is my saddle is already all the way forward on the low E string and I can't intonate the string correctly unless I shorten it further.

What are my options? Change strings?

Not sure what to do..

thanks for all the assistance, much appreciate.

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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-22-2014, 10:36 PM
 
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

So you're right on the edge of the baseplate? Man that's odd, normally with 9-42 strings the low E saddle is a fair way back. Sounds like a bung string to me.
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post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-23-2014, 01:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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So you're right on the edge of the baseplate? Man that's odd, normally with 9-42 strings the low E saddle is a fair way back. Sounds like a bung string to me.
I've got .10 - .46 on her.. replaced the low e string and it didn't make much of a difference... still flat at the 5th fret and worse at the 12th fret. the harmonic is just about right at 12 though - strange

I've exhausted all my possibilities. I've heard some say adjust the action, check the pickup height, adjust the truss rod (which I won't try myself) etc.. I might have to go to the local luthier.. I really hope she's not going to need major surgery, I just got this guitar ;(
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post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-23-2014, 06:01 AM
 
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

I'd pull the trem and check that the studs are solid.
Also, check that the three screws under the saddles that hold the block to the base plate are tight.
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post #5 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-23-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

This is pretty weird indeed, usually the low E is the string requires me to have the the saddle screw in the second hole instead of the first. Are you having the nut locked and is the string fully guided over the nut slot? It almost sounds like the string is vibrating from the first point where it touches the nut instead of the endpoint?
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

Is the action really high?
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post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-23-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

Your pickups might be too high. A pal of mine had me set up his SV5470 and he had raised the bridge pickup too high. The magnetic draw was throwing off the intonation. I have seen this problem with some stock Ibby pickups.

The too high pup was causing the intonation to be off a half tone+. Had me scratching my head but lowering the pup fixed my problem.
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Your pickups might be too high. A pal of mine had me set up his SV5470 and he had raised the bridge pickup too high. The magnetic draw was throwing off the intonation. I have seen this problem with some stock Ibby pickups.

The too high pup was causing the intonation to be off a half tone+. Had me scratching my head but lowering the pup fixed my problem.
This could be it since the edge of the guitar's neck, sixth or first string, is what is off. Lower the pickup on the flat side and see what happens. If it's mechanical, unless a stud is loose on low E side, it probably would affect all the intonations.
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post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-24-2014, 03:16 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

I took it to a luthier yesterday - for $40 they did a great job and completely reset everything.

they wouldn't let me 'watch' what they did, but I can tell the pups were lowered, the truss rob was adjusted, the action was lowered and they re-balanced the saddles (further back for the most part) and put new strings on.

Gotta say, I has no idea it was that far off when I took her in. She's perfect now, i'm just glad that it wasn't a bad neck, etc..

figures, the guy that I bought it online (after saying he gave it a wonderful setup) from screwed it up so when I got it any adjustments I made would only make it worse. I'm no expert, but can work on these and know when to say when and take it in

thanks for all the advice, I'm sure other will find it useful as well.
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

Be happy. If it's good now, 40 dollars is nothing for a setup.
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Be happy. If it's good now, 40 dollars is nothing for a setup.
yea, I am really happy. no problem spending the money considering how much was wrong and that I'm not going to go in and start screwing with the truss rod.

I did try to re-intonate it, change strings, rebalanced the tremo, etc.. but that is about all i'm going to try to do (which about 90% of the time is enough without having to take it in) - so I'm ok with having a pro look at it.
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

I'm having the opposite problem on my RG927. I have the B string saddle all the way back and it's still several cents sharp.

Here's a pic of the saddle:



I justrestrung with factory gauge, stretched the strings until they hold a tune upon stretching, and set the bridge height to where the ZPS is just touching the stop bar and the bridge angle looks about like what I've seen recommended online as seen here:



Now, the intonation was sharp before the restring, so this round was trying to see if I could accomplish anything in that area, but so far no luck. The others are a little of, but not to the extent the B is.

Does the tremolo angle look correct for Edge Zero II?

Any other tweaks I can try?

May be at the same point as WindyCityCane as far as just needing to have a pro setup done.
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Re: saddle all the way forward, intonation still off flat

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yea, I am really happy. no problem spending the money considering how much was wrong and that I'm not going to go in and start screwing with the truss rod.

I did try to re-intonate it, change strings, rebalanced the tremo, etc.. but that is about all i'm going to try to do (which about 90% of the time is enough without having to take it in) - so I'm ok with having a pro look at it.
After you play around for a while, you'll figure it out and get good at it.
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