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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 02:43 AM Thread Starter
 
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Short scale

The Caparison thread got me thinking..... does anyone here use an extremely short scale length? Any opinions on available models?

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 04:17 AM
 
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Re: Short scale

Well, I played a mixture of Strats and Les Pauls for many years (by the way, if anything I am a bit of a shortass), and found exactly the opposite - shorter scales just simply get harder to play as you get higher up the fretboard - even the relatively tiny difference between Gibson's 24 3/4" scale length and PRS's 25" scale seems to make a world of difference to the feel of the guitar. I don't have huge hands (the girls don't stare and wonder ......), but I have never had any problem with Fender's standard scale length, and if anything, the extra fretboard real estate makes complex chord patterns easier to play, not harder.

Shortest scale length I am aware of on a supposedly full scale guitar is the Gibson Byrdland at 23" - they are TINY!
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Re: Short scale

The Peavey V Type/Vandenburg and the Jackson Fusion are/were 24 fret floyded guits with the Gibby scale.
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Re: Short scale

Yeah, the Charvel 750XL like Shawn Lane used were 24 3/4" scale.
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Well, I played a mixture of Strats and Les Pauls for many years (by the way, if anything I am a bit of a shortass), and found exactly the opposite - shorter scales just simply get harder to play as you get higher up the fretboard - even the relatively tiny difference between Gibson's 24 3/4" scale length and PRS's 25" scale seems to make a world of difference to the feel of the guitar. I don't have huge hands (the girls don't stare and wonder ......), but I have never had any problem with Fender's standard scale length, and if anything, the extra fretboard real estate makes complex chord patterns easier to play, not harder.

Shortest scale length I am aware of on a supposedly full scale guitar is the Gibson Byrdland at 23" - they are TINY!
It's really a subjective thing and depends a lot on your playing style and technique. If you play straight form scales and melodic bends, etc then it'd probably not make much of a difference. Yet, if you are doing a lot of wide stretches and string skipping I feel it would definitely make a difference.

I don't find that regular scale 25.5 is "harder" per se. It's not at all. I've been playing that scale guitar my whole life and its what I learned to play guitar on. I started on Strats and switched to Ibanez RG's, Jacksons and played a few S's. I just feel that for my playing style the shorter scale is easier.

Yngwie, Vai, Gilbert have a clear advantage with their height and hand size. So It donned upon me one day, "Hey, a shorter scale guitar would give me the same advantage!" So I went and bought a couple of Caparisons and the rest is history. I personally found my hypothesis to be validated as soon as I picked it up. I can't put the thing down and I haven't felt like that since the first time I played a wizard neck after years on a C neck.

Ultimately, you should do what feels best and not worry about what is "supposed" to work in theory.
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post #6 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 10:09 AM
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Re: Short scale

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The Peavey V Type/Vandenburg and the Jackson Fusion are/were 24 fret floyded guits with the Gibby scale.
Yeah, actually I had a V-Type last year and the scale length was perfect for me. I don't have small hands, but I like how I can do larger stretches for chords, solo lines with wide intervals, etc. Makes a big difference, IMO, and I'd love a 24.75" scale RG.
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Did you sell it Dee?
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post #8 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 09:28 PM
 
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Re: Short scale

Why 24.75" scale when you can have 24.75' scale?

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post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-20-2007, 09:56 PM
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Did you sell it Dee?
The guitar was bought "blind", Wade. When I inspected it I found quite a few flaws. Otherwise, nice guitar. Certainly a good looking little axe, and with some mods could be great. There were various problems I encountered, though, one of them being the skinny E string getting trapped under the pickup bobbin edge when the whammy bar was depressed. Very frustrating. I sent it back, got a refund, and put the money towards an RG3120. The RG3120 was of course sold to pay for the RG20th.



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The guitar was bought "blind", Wade. When I inspected it I found quite a few flaws. Otherwise, nice guitar. Certainly a good looking little axe, and with some mods could be great. There were various problems I encountered, though, one of them being the skinny E string getting trapped under the pickup bobbin edge when the whammy bar was depressed. Very frustrating. I sent it back, got a refund, and put the money towards an RG3120. The RG3120 was of course sold to pay for the RG20th.



I used to dream of owning that guitar when I was in Middle School. I would draw it in the margins of all my notes during class. Then my dad bought me an RG570 and I got over it lol. Seeing that brought back some good memories though.
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Probably wasn't the exact same model, this one is only a couple of years old, BigShred. On the other hand, I have no idea how old you are!
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post #12 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-23-2007, 04:54 PM
 
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Re: Short scale

I played one of those Peavey EXPs and they felt horrible. It might have been the thin string gauge on em.

As for scale length, I seem to 'prefer' 25.5 because I associate 24.75 with Gibsons which are always uncomfortable and don't seem to facilitate fast playing like Ibanezes, etc do. But since playing the odd flying V and Explorer I've rethought it. I'm just used to knowing how a certain string gauge will feel on a 25.5 guitar.
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post #13 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-23-2007, 05:30 PM
 
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Re: Short scale

Gibson ES-350T..... 23 1/2" scale

Gibson ES-140T those were 3/4 scale guitars w/22 3/4" scale

Gibson ES-225.... 23 1/2" scale

There are quite a few still floating around......

I had a 350T for a while but seldom used it. Sold it for a PRS in like "88". When I got it (the 350) it had flatwounds on it..... But it was a beautiful guitar, natural finish..... I wish I still had it!
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I played one of those Peavey EXPs and they felt horrible. It might have been the thin string gauge on em.

As for scale length, I seem to 'prefer' 25.5 because I associate 24.75 with Gibsons which are always uncomfortable and don't seem to facilitate fast playing like Ibanezes, etc do. But since playing the odd flying V and Explorer I've rethought it. I'm just used to knowing how a certain string gauge will feel on a 25.5 guitar.
The Peavey is a good guitar once it's set up. I hope you didn't pick one up in a shop straight off the rack and expect it to blow you away. It's a Korean built axe which sells for not much money, therefore you shouldn't expect it to play like a PRS.

String gauge is 9's, btw. Pretty much the same gauge as any stock guitar you can think of.
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The Peavey is a good guitar once it's set up. I hope you didn't pick one up in a shop straight off the rack and expect it to blow you away. It's a Korean built axe which sells for not much money, therefore you shouldn't expect it to play like a PRS.

String gauge is 9's, btw. Pretty much the same gauge as any stock guitar you can think of.
That might have just been it. I do bear it in mind that string gauge is going to affect how it feels off the rack...
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