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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 07-02-2010, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
 
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So... The S Prestige series.

So... Is that sustain issue sill live with the S5470? I was thinking quite hardly about getting one till I saw all the complaints about sustain. I've heard a demo on youtube, but it was the SV series. Still it's the same problem people are complaining about with the S Prestige. It will sustain and then just kill out.

I was also wondering, with the thin body that this has, is it at all good for rhythm or mainly a lead guitar? I like to play a lot of drop D, but also play a lot of lead.
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

A good question, but not too much of an issue i'd say. Alot of the sustain too comes from your bridge setup and rig. I played a 5470 and really liked it. Sustain wise, I didn't detect much lack of sustain - but yet again a good vibrato aids in sustain. Tone wise, I think it comes down to more what you want for your lead tone. These day's i'm actually leaning more towards mahogany over basswood.
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Thanks for your response. Yeah it seems to sustain fine as most say but all of a sudden it just quits. I just found this video now, and it's worse than I thought. Search "s series sustain" on youtube and click the first video (I can't post links....)

Some say it's due to the middle pickup, but I believe someone on this forum (Rich? maybe?) confirmed that changing the pickups didn't work.
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Dude. How often do you need a guitar to sustain more than a few seconds anyway? They have good tone and sustain long enough for just about anything you would need to do musically, whats the big deal?
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

I just watched the vid, the guy is playing through a crappy solid state amp with no gain whatsoever, I am sure most any guitar would sustain almost the same with that setup. Maybe he is just used to that acoustic behind him, which is what the amp sounds like it is dialed for...
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Well, it obviously has to do with style. Don't you agree? I like to let my notes ring. Especially if I'm using the tremolo over the ring. Though it's not how long it sustains but rather how it decays. It's not natural from the string and bodies point of view.

It could be his setup that's making it worse, but I don't think it's the cause of the root problem.
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Wind it up to 4:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMPNJo7HQLY
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Great vid, have watched it many times. Great tone, and very impressive redeemer switch.

But when he menctions sustain, it sounds more like regular feedback to me.
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Maybe you should listen again. Sounds like the fundamental note to me, not a harmonic of it which is what feedback is, although anybody can argue that feedback itself is sustain.....
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

Now that sustains! But even though it's an S series, it's a whole different monster, you gotta admit! Well, the body is the same and the bridge is... So are you saying if I buy the S and replace the pickups Ill be good?

People would talk about the older S models that were 21 fretted and how they could sustain for 20 seconds (basically like the one you just showed me, tho it being 24 fret), it seems people only complained about the s5470. Though again, the only real thing that has changed it seems is the pickups. It's got the hot grinders and the short tracer.

Just don't know if I should take the risk and end up with what the other guy had, even after a pickup change.

Thanks for your response.
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

It's obviously a custom, HH, Edge Zero instead of ZR, and you can claim if you give Rob a Hondo he'll make it sing. So is it the guitar? Is it the setup? Is it his gear? Or is it Rob? The Doug Doppler Ibanez video was along the same line, and IIRC he was using a basically stock S5470. Although he doesn't slow down much to really show sustain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOpoOLLLzYA
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

I know. He makes it sound great. Though, yeah, no real sustain demos on it.
I may try it out, do you suggest I get some real dimarzio's? I'm not sure how the prestige series ibanez's go as far as stock pickups.

Quick question:
This would be my first locking nut/floyd style guitar. When you lock down the nut and this possibly makes the strings go sharp, is this where the fine tuners come in hand?
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Maybe you should listen again. Sounds like the fundamental note to me, not a harmonic of it which is what feedback is, although anybody can argue that feedback itself is sustain.....
Still sounds like feedback to me. Notice how it becomes a bit louder at 4:53.
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although anybody can argue that feedback itself is sustain.....
Be my guest and explain how a string is supposed to "sustain" itself without being fed by something......
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Re: So... The S Prestige series.

What I'm saying is: the note at 4:45 starts ringing due to his picking, and afterwards it starts resonating, and that's why it starts sounding louder at 4:55.

That note would sustain forever if he wanted to, but I personally like to consider "sustain" what happens after a note is picked and how long it lasts but before feedback kicks in.
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