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post #16 of 36 (permalink) Old 12-31-2019, 12:01 PM
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Re: Strat recommendations for ibanez players

Tele bridge pickups get a lot of their bite from the baseplate. Duncan makes a Strat bridge pickup called the Twang Banger that will give you most of that Tele sound. Harmonic Design makes a pickup called the STP which will do the same as well. I'm sure there are others as well.

If you are looking in Japan you should also look at brands like Bacchus and Momose as well. If I was guitar shopping in Japan for Strat I would check out the fenders but I would be looking specifically for a Japanese high end copy. FGN makes a Strat like instrument called the Odyssey as well.
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If I was guitar shopping in Japan for Strat I would check out the fenders but I would be looking specifically for a Japanese high end copy.
I am not well versed in Fender Strats. A local store has a 1986 Fender Stratocaster MIJ that looks exactly like this:
https://wildwireguitars.com/fender-j...red-pre-owned/

Is this Strat in the same ballpark as the ones being discussed?
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You don't want to get a Strat with a bridge like that one, really. The current standard 2 point trem is the way you want to go if you are going to use the trem much.
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You don't want to get a Strat with a bridge like that one, really. The current standard 2 point trem is the way you want to go if you are going to use the trem much.
The guitar is kind of cool because I had never seen a Strat like that but I will heed your advice.
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Re: Strat recommendations for ibanez players

There are strat die-hards that swear if you set the guitar up right, you can use the trem all you want and it will stay in tune. Then again, there are people who still think the earth is flat...
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Well, there's really using the trem to accentuate a note or chord and dive bombing trem use. Often when you see someone in a bar band doing dive bombs it's because they have no other ideas on what to play A Strat doesn't do dives like that too well obviously, as it doesn't have the same amount of pitch change ability. So, it isn't a great dive bomb platform. But if you have a modern Strat with or without locking tuners you should be able to use the trem without throwing the guitar too far out of tune to finish the song. I never had a trem problem with my G&L S-500, which is a floater.
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You don't want to get a Strat with a bridge like that one, really. The current standard 2 point trem is the way you want to go if you are going to use the trem much.
That's a Contemporary Strat with the Schaller made System 1 tremolo. Absolutely nothing to fear there. Parts are still available from whammyparts.com. My first electric was the same model in Lake Placid Blue. Wish I'd never sold it!

Still somewhat undervalued and incredibly well made guitars. The mid-80's Contemporary Series bridged the production gap between CBS era and the revised USA Fender production. They were made at Fujigen and featured some modern appointments.

They came in a variety of pickup configurations and with a 12" radius fretboard. The most obvious difference was the Schaller Tremolo systems - Systems 1, 2 & 3. S1 was the simplest (yet effective). S3 was rather more complex but (apparently) incredibly effective at staying in tune and could be locked as a fixed bridge too. I still want an S3 and keep looking for a nice example (at a reasonable price..).

I bought myself a replacement for my original Contemporary S1 a couple of years ago. This time I found a rather minty S2 with a HSS pup config. The S2 Tremolo is similar to the Freeflyte tremolo used on the USA Elite Strat. It's a sweet guitar with a lovely low action and great tone. Built like a tank. I definitely won't be selling this one.

In short, don't fear the mid-80's Contemporary Strats - just Fear The Reaper!





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Well, part of the appeal of the Strat is its sound, and part of that sound is due to the huge chunk of wood missing from the body in the trem cavity. Whether the trem works or not is one thing, but the body on that is significantly different from a regular trem'd Strat. I'm glad you like yours but i still wouldn't buy one myself (which,of course, doesn't make it a bad guitar).
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Agreed that mine is not the norm. I wasn't advocating the OP buy the same model, just not to be 'put off' by that S1 Trem (it's basically a two point floating trem and has great tuning stability) or the MIJ Contemporary range in general. .

Most Strats have a 'chunk of wood' removed to accomodate the Trem springs and block. The fact that it is at the back of most Strats and under the scratchplate on mine is unlikely to make much difference tonally IMO. I'd expect the pups to have most influence.

OP should visit a local Strat dealer and try a few out. He might bond with something that none of us would recommend.

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You don't want to get a Strat with a bridge like that one, really. The current standard 2 point trem is the way you want to go if you are going to use the trem much.
That's a Contemporary Strat with the Schaller made System 1 tremolo. Absolutely nothing to fear there. Parts are still available from whammyparts.com. My first electric was the same model in Lake Placid Blue. Wish I'd never sold it!

Still somewhat undervalued and incredibly well made guitars. The mid-80's Contemporary Series bridged the production gap between CBS era and the revised USA Fender production. They were made at Fujigen and featured some modern appointments.

They came in a variety of pickup configurations and with a 12" radius fretboard. The most obvious difference was the Schaller Tremolo systems - Systems 1, 2 & 3. S1 was the simplest (yet effective). S3 was rather more complex but (apparently) incredibly effective at staying in tune and could be locked as a fixed bridge too. I still want an S3 and keep looking for a nice example (at a reasonable price..).

I bought myself a replacement for my original Contemporary S1 a couple of years ago. This time I found a rather minty S2 with a HSS pup config. The S2 Tremolo is similar to the Freeflyte tremolo used on the USA Elite Strat. It's a sweet guitar with a lovely low action and great tone. Built like a tank. I definitely won't be selling this one.

In short, don't fear the mid-80's Contemporary Strats - just Fear The Reaper!
What would be a reasonable price for a Contemporary Strat in excellent condition with the Schaller made System 1 tremolo? You seem to know these guitars well. Your post summed up everything I could patch together from the internet in a coherent manner.
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The values on the Contemporary series are tricky and very much location/condition dependent.

I've seen System 1 models on Reverb at over $1000 US. Personally, I think that's too much, even for a 'case Queen'. I'd say $600-700 would be 'fair'. If you can find a minty original example for less than that just grab it. IMO you'll struggle to find a better value Strat. The single coil pups have great tone too.

Just to prove how variable it can be. There's a guy on YouTube talking about his S2 costing him $1100. Mine cost 60% of that and is immaculate.

I've spotted an S3 this morning that I'm keeping an eye on...
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The values on the Contemporary series are tricky and very much location/condition dependent.

I've seen System 1 models on Reverb at over $1000 US. Personally, I think that's too much, even for a 'case Queen'. I'd say $600-700 would be 'fair'. If you can find a minty original example for less than that just grab it. IMO you'll struggle to find a better value Strat. The single coil pups have great tone too.

Just to prove how variable it can be. There's a guy on YouTube talking about his S2 costing him $1100. Mine cost 60% of that and is immaculate.

I've spotted an S3 this morning that I'm keeping an eye on...
Thanks for the information! I think the store with the S1 knows exactly what they have because it is priced inline with your condition/price assessment. The history behind the guitar does make it more interesting.
I hope you get your S3!
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Tele bridge pick up?
When I get to play a strat i always seem to end up camped in neck and neck/mid position and never found bridge that usable. This is an interesting idea...
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Tele bridge pickups get a lot of their bite from the baseplate. Duncan makes a Strat bridge pickup called the Twang Banger that will give you most of that Tele sound. Harmonic Design makes a pickup called the STP which will do the same as well. I'm sure there are others as well.
I know TB from duncan yet i havent tried STP. TB was pretty nice but if there is no limit for the structural modifications like carving etc. putting real deal is the best solution for me
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Looks interesting.

I think key is going to be finding a strat with a great neck that's not too pricey so I'm not afraid to mod.

The alternative pick up and bridge options look endless...
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Re: Strat recommendations for ibanez players

I’ve found the easiest transition from Ibanez to Fender is getting a Strat with a 2- point bridge,
22 frets and the hotter pickups. I prefer rosewood boards with the single coils as it’s not quite as harsh.
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