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post #1 of 137 (permalink) Old 03-16-2012, 02:20 AM Thread Starter
 
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Is there a difference in sound/feel/etc. between the different wood types?

Mahogany vs American basswood vs basswood vs adler vs etc bodies.

Rosewood vs bound rosewood vs maple vs. etc. fingerboards.

If you were blindfolded could you tell what you were playing, or does it just affect the look (color of the wood)? Are there tone/sustain differences or anything like that?

I'm sure this is basic stuff and I will be flamed for asking this but I'm curious, as it's the only difference I can see between some guitars with differences in price.
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This guy knows everything about woods =



All the rest are myths and nonsense unless you have bionic ears
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I disagree, differences can be heard between tone woods for clean, and not over the top distortion. Whilst being able to determine a specific wood blindfolded may be hard, you should be able to tell that there is a difference between them.
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I disagree, differences can be heard between tone woods for clean, and not over the top distortion. Whilst being able to determine a specific wood blindfolded may be hard, you should be able to tell that there is a difference between them.
I never said they can't be heard, being recognized at the point of changing how a guitar sounds is nonsense and a waste of time.
NOBODY in the world listen to any cd thinking ...Oh this rosewood tone is awesome, this basswood is crap...etc so instead of wasting time about which wood a guitar has, they should INVEST time in practicing cause it doesn't matter what amazing wood(tone) they have if they can't play or make music, the majority of people who spend time about woods, pups, strings etc can't make music, I always ask them to hear their music to get what they're talking about BUT they never show me any, if you spent so many time about woods, pups and strings, you have to have anything recorded to show this amazing tone you got, if not, you're just blah blah blah

The only thing the audience listens is clean/distorted tone.
While listening to a cd even with differet guitars playing at the same time like distorted lead + 2 distorted rhythm + 2 cleans, NOBODY can tell which wood those guitars have so it's a waste of time cause even if they could, how an instrument sounds in a mix depends on how all other instruments sound.
So in the end, on an electric SOLID body guitar wood means nothing comparing to amps and pups unless you recorded an album about 10 clean guitars recorded to people try to listen to those wood differences but in a musical context, wood means nothing.

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Re: Is there a difference in sound/feel/etc. between the different wood types?

http://www.suhrguitars.com/wood.aspx

http://www.usacustomguitars.com/bodywoods.html
http://www.usacustomguitars.com/neckwoods.html

http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars...features/woods

I'm sure you can find others too just by searching...
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I disagree, differences can be heard between tone woods for clean, and not over the top distortion. Whilst being able to determine a specific wood blindfolded may be hard, you should be able to tell that there is a difference between them.
On the same level as pickups, amps, cables and strings then.
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With acoustic guitars the woods make a dramatic difference, there are many variables with an electric guitar which make things a little harder to determine what you're hearing, eg trem vs hard tail, bolt on vs. through neck, the pickups, the amp, the speakers... Having said that my solid mahogany guitar feels and responds very differently to my mahogany/maple and basswood/maple bodied guitars
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I never said they can't be heard, being recognized at the point of changing how a guitar sounds is nonsense and a waste of time.
NOBODY in the world listen to any cd thinking ...Oh this rosewood tone is awesome, this basswood is crap...etc so instead of wasting time about which wood a guitar has, they should INVEST time in practicing cause it doesn't matter what amazing wood(tone) they have if they can't play or make music, the majority of people who spend time about woods, pups, strings etc can't make music, I always ask them to hear their music to get what they're talking about BUT they never show me any, if you spent so many time about woods, pups and strings, you have to have anything recorded to show this amazing tone you got, if not, you're just blah blah blah

The only thing the audience listens is clean/distorted tone.
While listening to a cd even with differet guitars playing at the same time like distorted lead + 2 distorted rhythm + 2 cleans, NOBODY can tell which wood those guitars have so it's a waste of time cause even if they could, how an instrument sounds in a mix depends on how all other instruments sound.
So in the end, on an electric SOLID body guitar wood means nothing comparing to amps and pups unless you recorded an album about 10 clean guitars recorded to people try to listen to those wood differences but in a musical context, wood means nothing.
Im sorry, but what does "myths and nonsense" mean?

No where was anyone talking about what they could determine from recording. The op was just asking from a playing standpoint. When you play a guitar you can hear the differences, just like pickups. When things are recorded you can eq anything to suit how you want it to sound. That's true. But purely from a playing standpoint it can be heard - it's not "myths and nonsense".

If there was no difference, or if it were all "myths and nonsense", guitars would just be built out of plywood or pine, or something equally cheap. Players wouldn't care about it.
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Im sorry, but what does "myths and nonsense" mean?

No where was anyone talking about what they could determine from recording. The op was just asking from a playing standpoint. When you play a guitar you can hear the differences, just like pickups. When things are recorded you can eq anything to suit how you want it to sound. That's true. But purely from a playing standpoint it can be heard - it's not "myths and nonsense".

If there was no difference, or if it were all "myths and nonsense", guitars would just be built out of plywood or pine, or something equally cheap. Players wouldn't care about it.
didnt Leo choose alder because it was cheap? or some similar story ii heard. and other pragmatic decisions just to cut the cost of the strats.
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Wow what a surprise. 6fingers shows up in another thread to act like he knows what he's talking about, and says something patently not true...


OP, there's plenty of difference between wood types. Mahogany sounds very much darker than maple. Thats the reason Les Pauls and the RGA series have maple caps (Even under solid finishes in many cases, because its not aesthetic, its tonal.)

The brighter maple helps to bring a little more life to the sound of the guitar.

Are there some similar woods? Absolutely, yes. But the fact is, two different pieces of the SAME SPECIES of wood can sound markedly different to each other. This is why you'll see people go looking for light, resonant mahogany, rather than just using any old mahogany - if its too dense and too heavy, it won't resonate. It'll have long sustain but won't really sound too fantastic.

There are some qualities you can pick out of any piece of wood. Maple being bright is one of those qualities. Some maple will be brighter than other maple, of course, but pretty much all, if not all, of it, will be brighter than any mahogany.
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didnt Leo choose alder because it was cheap? or some similar story ii heard. and other pragmatic decisions just to cut the cost of the strats.
That was true at the time. Alder has proven to be a very good tone wood for many since though. It's my favourite.

Everything about the original Fenders was designed to cut costs, but have provided their own tonal qualities that many are fans of.
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Everything about the original Fenders was designed to cut costs, but have provided their own tonal qualities that many are fans of.
It's funny. I've thought of basswood RG's much the same way for years and AFAIK the wood was chosen because it was cheap. Mahogany LP's are too warm for my tastes and Strats too bright. To me the RG is the best guitar in the "middle".
I can sometimes pick out different guitars on a given song. It all depends on what the recording is and how it's made. Tedeschi Trucks Band instantly comes to mind, especially if Derek is playing his SG and Susan plays a Tele or the like.

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Im sorry, but what does "myths and nonsense" mean?

No where was anyone talking about what they could determine from recording. The op was just asking from a playing standpoint. When you play a guitar you can hear the differences, just like pickups. When things are recorded you can eq anything to suit how you want it to sound. That's true. But purely from a playing standpoint it can be heard - it's not "myths and nonsense".

If there was no difference, or if it were all "myths and nonsense", guitars would just be built out of plywood or pine, or something equally cheap. Players wouldn't care about it.
Never saw Vai playing an acrylic guitar which never sounded like acrylic and people would never guess it was an acrylic guitar?
Never saw a guitar made of metal which sounded like an ordinary wood guitar and not made of metal?
If I was Vai I would play an entire concert with a jem made of the cheapest wood ever then I'll tell to tv it was cheap as hell but sounded like any other expensive jem, people who keep wasting time about woods and blah blah blah would be like :O

Everytime you plug your guitar (made of wood, acrylic etc) into an amp(or anything else), you use its equalizer so those wood differences are completely changed by any gear you plug your guitar PLUS all pickups have their own frequencies so again those differences are completely changed by pups and amps and effects if you use them.
Again = in the end 99% of tone comes from amps and pups cause they completely changed how that wood sounded.
Just cut a cheap plywood, put a pup and strings, plug it into an amp and play it, it'll sound like any solid guitar out there, I already did that some decades ago when I was a teen without money to buy a good guitar.
Nobody plays or record an electric solid body guitar unplugged and that's why those wood differences mean nothing.
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Never saw Vai playing an acrylic guitar which never sounded like acrylic and people would never guess it was an acrylic guitar?
Never saw a guitar made of metal which sounded like an ordinary wood guitar and not made of metal?
If I was Vai I would play an entire concert with a jem made of the cheapest wood ever then I'll tell to tv it was cheap as hell but sounded like any other expensive jem, people who keep wasting time about woods and blah blah blah would be like :O

Everytime you plug your guitar (made of wood, acrylic etc) into an amp(or anything else), you use its equalizer so those wood differences are completely changed by any gear you plug your guitar PLUS all pickups have their own frequencies so again those differences are completely changed by pups and amps and effects if you use them.
Again = in the end 99% of tone comes from amps and pups cause they completely changed how that wood sounded.
Just cut a cheap plywood, put a pup and strings, plug it into an amp and play it, it'll sound like any solid guitar out there, I already did that some decades ago when I was a teen without money to buy a good guitar.
Nobody plays or record an electric solid body guitar unplugged and that's why those wood differences mean nothing.
So what you're saying is, if you're like Vai and completely go overboard with effects, a G-System, axe-fx, a high gain amp, overdrive pedals, and all sorts of weird sustainer stuff, you won't be able to tell a difference if you're listening on a youube video with compressed as **** audio because the sound is kind of sort of similar.

Got it.

For the rest of us, with ears that work, and the ability to hear how a guitar actually sounds when you play it, we'll stick with being able to tell when one guitar is noticably brighter than the other and when that difference is very clearly down to the woods used to build it.
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Re: Is there a difference in sound/feel/etc. between the different wood types?

I'm still struggling with this kind of dilemma also.
woods vs pickups vs amps vs strings gauge, etc...

I'm not kind of person who has golden ears, can tell the different blindfolded.
but one thing for sure, once I put a PAF pro on a maple board RG with basswood, and comparing it to a PAF pro on a rosewood board with basswood RG.
same strings brand, same amp eq, same set up. the maple neck is brighter than the rosewood.

so i can made conclusion, tonewood does effect.
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