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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 09-29-2012, 12:04 PM Thread Starter
 
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Unmusical vibrato with Ibanez ZR trems..how to get rid of it?

Have one older S...with pivot knive edges. Great guitar but I wanna buy another S. Budget up to 800 bucks.

I use whammy bar really lot...Satriani type whammy screams and stuff like that. I tried to do that type of tricks with ZR on my local music store but it's really hard.

And the vibrato is very unmusical in general with ZR...this can be heard quite well in youtube videos people playing with whammy bar on ZR.

My question is...can you fully get rid of the unmusical type vibrato of ZR by removing the ZPS? Isn't the ZR "path of turning" quite different from knive edge types tremolos, and hence you need much more power to do the same tricks?
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 09-29-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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Re: Unmusical vibrato with Ibanez ZR trems..how to get rid of it?

If you take off the ZPS, every whammy trick will sound pretty good.
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Re: Unmusical vibrato with Ibanez ZR trems..how to get rid of it?

I own both an Edge-Zero and ZR2 equipped guitar and both react very differently for both down and up bends.
For any given movement of the bar the ZR2 doesn't seem to de-tension the strings anywhere near as much as the Edge Zero does, due to the entire bridge itself having a different pivot point. Of course this helps with accuracy but for really fast pitch changes can be a downside.
In terms of power needed I certainly think the ZR2 needs more for a given pitch change but I can still get crazy pitch changes from mine without ever feeling like I'm spraining any part of my anatomy.

I've used both bridge systems with and without the ZPS: all I can really say is that the ZPS does make it significantly more difficult (in terms of strength needed) to use vibrato, but there again it has fantastic stability. With the ZPS removed though you should be able to pull of any and all crazy vibrato tricks on a ZR2.
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Re: Unmusical vibrato with Ibanez ZR trems..how to get rid of it?

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I own both an Edge-Zero and ZR2 equipped guitar and both react very differently for both down and up bends.
For any given movement of the bar the ZR2 doesn't seem to de-tension the strings anywhere near as much as the Edge Zero does, due to the entire bridge itself having a different pivot point. Of course this helps with accuracy but for really fast pitch changes can be a downside.
In terms of power needed I certainly think the ZR2 needs more for a given pitch change but I can still get crazy pitch changes from mine without ever feeling like I'm spraining any part of my anatomy.

I've used both bridge systems with and without the ZPS: all I can really say is that the ZPS does make it significantly more difficult (in terms of strength needed) to use vibrato, but there again it has fantastic stability. With the ZPS removed though you should be able to pull of any and all crazy vibrato tricks on a ZR2.
I'd like to thank you for this post Roachy, you have added an explanation to my suspicions about my ZPS.

Back to the original poster, i still find mine as a very functional whammy bar after i removed the ZPS. I did that for a few reasons, makes the trem very stiff, reduces flutter, and it puts a lot of stress on the arm socket (for the ZR1 trem anyway)
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