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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 05-22-2013, 08:55 PM Thread Starter
 
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Variations in the original Edge?

I removed a mid to late 80's pro line Ibanez egde trem. I compared it to a later early 90's trem and discovered 2 things. The block on the earlier trem is bigger. Also, the trem posts on the earlier are longer. I guess my question is...will the earlier trem still work on later models? Why did I do this? I have no idea.
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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 05-22-2013, 09:04 PM
 
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

Yes it does. I have a late 86/early 87 Edge that I retro-fitted to my RG 470. Block is longer obviously, but it just means that you leave the cavity cover off.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

The length of the trem posts did not give you any problems?
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

I didn't get trem posts with mine.

Easiest way to to find out is just try installing the posts. You're not going to break anything.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

I have what you are talking about.
I had to get a short block for the trem, it was an easy swap out in just a few minutes.
The inserts and posts are toooo long, you'll need new ones as well.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

I've heard of the "long blocks" but have never seen one. It makes sense that they were used on earlier models, which probably didn't have recessed trems.

There are other subtle differences if you have a couple of them around. Up through about '88, the fine tuners had a very pronounced beveled edge and the saddles have much softer edges. If you see a more recent Edge, the saddles have very sharp edges.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

The trem arm socket stuck out of the base plate on some of the older ones.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

First run Edge: 41mm block; longer non-locking studs (quite pinched, actually, so up-bends with trem – though minimal because guitars were non-recessed – have sharp return) with hollow inserts; spring plate doesn't have notches for the string lock bolts; arm socket sits higher; pronounced fine tuner bevel.

Another thing I found interesting was the '86 spec arm (bottom):



The earlier arm has a gentler curve, bend further up, and the spring slot is different. The newer one is taller - I guess they did it when trems became recessed to compensate.

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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

Here are some pics from my '86 RG410 as compared to an '89 Edge:


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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

OK, yeah those studs are much taller. Won't be able to set decent action on a recessed trem without cutting the stud down.

I reckon these longer blocks sound a lot better too. Increased mass helps, but I think the makeup of the metal may be better tone wise too. I'd keep the cavity cover off and use the long block for the tonal benefits.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

Thanks guys!! There is always a wealth of knowledge on these boards.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

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OK, yeah those studs are much taller. Won't be able to set decent action on a recessed trem without cutting the stud down.

I reckon these longer blocks sound a lot better too. Increased mass helps, but I think the makeup of the metal may be better tone wise too. I'd keep the cavity cover off and use the long block for the tonal benefits.
I think that the metal of the blocks is the same, but the early ones were just painted black.

Because of the architecture of the trem owing to the longer block, these early ones feel a bit stiffer than the recessed ones.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

I am gonna sell my older larger block if anyone is interested. I replace it with a smaller one so I can use the back cover plate.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

hello everybody Im boing to build custom rg body and also have that old stylish Edge. I've already shorted studs and inserts and modified them to locking studs. Alltoght I'm going to building custom body I will leave that long block as is (someone mentioned it's 41mm long) to get a better sound and sustain. Cen someone tell how long is that smaller block to know how much I will have to extend body thikness. Thanks to advanced.
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Re: Variations in the original Edge?

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