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post #1 of 83 (permalink) Old 10-02-2011, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
 
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What keeps Ibanez from launching a Custom or Semi-Custom Shop?

I can understand that a full-fledged Custom Shop may be financially unprofitable. But why no Semi-Custom shop?

E.g., I want a J Custom without that awful vine inlay. They can only do this if I order no less than 6 identical guitars. Stupid.

Perhaps anybody can provide some insider information?

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Re: What keeps Ibanez from launching a Custom or Semi-Custom Shop?

Get yourself a Suhr Modern and the problem solved
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Re: What keeps Ibanez from launching a Custom or Semi-Custom Shop?

It's not "insider information" but I imagine it would be the same reason. (referring to the semi-custom shop). I know all of us on here (in our minds eye) would gladly give them business and all that, but our beloved community of Ibanez junkies is relatively small in relation to the entire guitar playing community as a whole. And if you look at even a lot of the guys who only play Ibanez, I'm sure you'll find a vast majority of those are just fine with production models.
Of course Ibanez has the LACS but I'm pretty sure you have to be an endorsee to gain access to that.
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Re: What keeps Ibanez from launching a Custom or Semi-Custom Shop?

The reason may be the same indeed, but they haven't even given it a try. And they clearly underestimate the power of Ibanez junkies.

I'd say it has more to do with the current management's attitude.
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The reason may be the same indeed, but they haven't even given it a try. And they clearly underestimate the power of Ibanez junkies.

I'd say it has more to do with the current management's attitude.
I'd suggest that there are guys with MBAs and degrees in economics and business who look at this sort of strategyon behalf of Ibanez and who have decided that it wouldn't work. Trying and failing in business costs money and reputation. Neither are things an established company wants to throw away.

For every guy on the internet who says he'd place an order and actually PLACE that order there are probably 10 who'd say they'd place an order and then sit at their PC posting about how the custom shop charges too much.
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I'd suggest that there are guys with MBAs and degrees in economics and business who look at this sort of strategyon behalf of Ibanez and who have decided that it wouldn't work. Trying and failing in business costs money and reputation. Neither are things an established company wants to throw away.

For every guy on the internet who says he'd place an order and actually PLACE that order there are probably 10 who'd say they'd place an order and then sit at their PC posting about how the custom shop charges too much.
Well, if ESP, Jackson, Fender, you name it, can run a profitable custom shop, then what's stopping Ibanez from doing the same? Especially considering that they already have LACS?
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Well, if ESP, Jackson, Fender, you name it, can run a profitable custom shop, then what's stopping Ibanez from doing the same? Especially considering that they already have LACS?
I agree! But, look at those companies you mentioned. Two of them are the same place now--Fender and Jackson. Plus, imagine the sales those companies get in relation to Ibanez. Sure Ibanez has a great customer base, but is it as big as those others? I don't see why Ibanez couldn't have a little in-house shop that did custom orders like the others. Is it worth their time, money and effort to do it, though? Like Jono said--there are people with sliderules and degrees that have probably already pondered that. Plus, the analogy that he mentioned of number of people that would actually order one vs. Sitting at the PC dreaming and posting about ordering is spot-on. That's evident right here on Jemsite. How many posts do you see about, "Man, I'm really after a XXXX," one shows up in our classifieds, sits there for a few months, then off to the Bay......where it sits again.



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Well, if ESP, Jackson, Fender, you name it, can run a profitable custom shop, then what's stopping Ibanez from doing the same? Especially considering that they already have LACS?
Totally.

And Semi-Custom shop wouldn't need that much of an investment.

Like, base it off of existing J Custom, add body type choice (RG, RGA, RGD, S), body and fingerboard wood choice, 6 or 7 string, bolt-on or neck-through, bound/unbound fingerboard, inlays/blank fingerboard, pickups choice and a fixed set of standard colours, that's it.

The funny thing is it's already available to distributors, with a minimum batch of six identical instruments. But who the heck wants a custom guitar built to distributor's specs.

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I agree! But, look at those companies you mentioned. Two of them are the same place now--Fender and Jackson. Plus, imagine the sales those companies get in relation to Ibanez. Sure Ibanez has a great customer base, but is it as big as those others? I don't see why Ibanez couldn't have a little in-house shop that did custom orders like the others. Is it worth their time, money and effort to do it, though? Like Jono said--there are people with sliderules and degrees that have probably already pondered that. Plus, the analogy that he mentioned of number of people that would actually order one vs. Sitting at the PC dreaming and posting about ordering is spot-on. That's evident right here on Jemsite. How many posts do you see about, "Man, I'm really after a XXXX," one shows up in our classifieds, sits there for a few months, then off to the Bay......where it sits again.
AFAIK, Fender custom shop and Jackson custom shop are separate entities, just under same management. I mean, those custom Jacksons and Charvels are built by the same guys and at the same place as it was before FMIC bought them. And just to illustrate the issue, some time ago I've tried out a RG4570Z - it's a nice guitar, but it costs $2599.99 + 13% tax, for the same money I could buy a CS Charvel or Jackson or ESP. Or a Suhr, which I've bought in the end.
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The funny thing is it's already available to distributors, with a minimum batch of six identical instruments. But who the heck wants a custom guitar built to distributor's specs.
So you could find another 5 guys who would like an Ibby with the same specs and just order them through A&T Trade.
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Ibanez J-custom pricing is a result of the world economy and the strength of the Yen rather than anything else.

In 2007 the yen was worth half what it is today which made the J-customs a veritable bargain.

As I said, if the boffins at Ibanez thought a custom shop was a viable business model for them, they'd open one... If someone has the appropriate qualifications and/or experience, why don't they draw up a business plan and see about arranging a meeting with some of the folks from Hoshino USA and see if they'll pitch it to the Japanese head office?
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So you could find another 5 guys who would like an Ibby with the same specs and just order them through A&T Trade.
I was considering this at one point, but surely not via A&T Trade (they asked a ridiculous price).
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Ibanez J-custom pricing is a result of the world economy and the strength of the Yen rather than anything else.

In 2007 the yen was worth half what it is today which made the J-customs a veritable bargain.

As I said, if the boffins at Ibanez thought a custom shop was a viable business model for them, they'd open one... If someone has the appropriate qualifications and/or experience, why don't they draw up a business plan and see about arranging a meeting with some of the folks from Hoshino USA and see if they'll pitch it to the Japanese head office?
Perhaps we'd start it off with signing a petition or something? Like, making a sticky thread here, on sevenstring.org, ibanezforum etc?
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Perhaps we'd start it off with signing a petition or something? Like, making a sticky thread here, on sevenstring.org, ibanezforum etc?
Yeah....I'm sure that would make them bend.....



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Maybe we should start photoshopping "I want access to the Ibanez custom shop" onto the banners at the wall street and Egypt protests.
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