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post #16 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-06-2003, 04:22 PM
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Like they couldn't make a stain thick? LOL

The edges are burnt or at least heat treated to harden the wood and limit bleeding. You can clearly see the impression and in some areas actual burning. Nobody drew anything with a pencil.

If the 90's are silkscreened then so are the Art's. No difference, means just that.
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Again....

[quote="vaijem777"]'Nuff said...as a basis for one hypothesis. Unfortunately, theories are all that we have. [quote]
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No, theories are all YOU have.
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If you had hard, documented proof that the ARTs & JPM90s were "silkscreened", then it'd probably be wisest to state as such. Otherwise, you're trying to pass off a theory as a fact. As you said, "the proof is in the pudding." So far, your "proof" leaves a lot to be desired.
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If PRS can hand-stain & finish thousands upon thousands of guitars, why couldn't Ibanez do 48, or however many ARTs they did?

Roll your eyes all you want, but until PROOF is provided as to the actual methods used, a statement such as "theories are all YOU have" is nothing more than an exercise in futility. Either prove your assumption or admit that it's just that- an assumption.
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Logical deduction upon evaluation is not assumption. That's like saying Einstein assumed the theory of relativity.

Feel free to show me PRS's ART knock off that's hand stained, because all I've ever seen of their's are solid stains and bursts.
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If PRS can do thousands of solid colors or bursts, then surely a few dozen guitars with more intricate designs can be turned out. Add to that the fact that the '97 J-Customs were essentially "showpieces" to demonstrate the skill of Ibanez' top builders, it again would stand to reason that more attention would be paid to detail on the initial J-Custom models.

As for Einstein...his theory was just that- a THEORY. It still had to be proved, as does yours.
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So staining a whole guitar a solid color and staining an Art is no different?

The clincher is this - if they WERE done by hand, there would be MANY quite evident scrrew-ups. Ibanez is fine when they stick to their CNC's and their lazer etc. technologies. When they get their hands dirty is where things get screwed up

[although they can spray a fairly decent burst! No complaint on the 03' FP's]
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Should we examine what was done by hand on the 97' JC's?

The glitter fill on the Arch's. Yup, screwed up.
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I never said that staining an ART wasn't different. It's obviously a much more time-consuming technique, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't done. For a relatively SMALL run of guitars such as the ART, it's not at all impossible.

As for the screw-ups...again, the original J-Customs were to be showpieces for Ibanez to show what they were really capable of. It's highly unlikely that they'd release any with major visible flaws. Do you know for a FACT that there weren't a bunch of screw-ups that have never seen the light of day? We're not talking JS10ths where the finishing process was too costly to just scrap the project altogether. Flaws are expected with them. But on a guitar that was supposed to really show off the Japanese luthier's skills & prowess? It's common sense that they would be held to a slightly higher quality control standard than the average JEM or JS (even if that isn't the case currently).
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It seems like another one of these "only blue member tags allowed" threads
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Should we examine what was done by hand on the 97' JC's?

The glitter fill on the Arch's. Yup, screwed up.

The glitter on the (2) ARCHs that I've had was fine. However, I'm sure that any screw-ups would have been just as noticable as the bleeding colors on the ARTs. Which, would indicate that they're done by hand I guess.
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Bleeding color is a result of the wood, not a result of a brush not staying perfectly within a line!

The fill on all Arch's is horid, super uneven. Ask Mike who you sold yours too if you don't remember
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