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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-03-2009, 01:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

this is confusing me. I have 2 washburns (n2 and N61), both with floyds, one with an original floyd rose, and 2 ibanez RGs both with edge pros.

All guitars have same string gauge and are tuned to E. So why is the washburn's harder to bend than the RG's?Anthing to do with string tension at the back?22fret vs 24frets?
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

All guitars have different string tension, or as Matt Bruck says, "string suspension". He says no one really knows why that they are different.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

In order for your statement to be true, all the influencing factors on both guitars have to be exactly the same. Since we do not know if the later is true, then your statement is only applicable to your Ibanez and Washburn guitars.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

yeah ok maybe i should have titled it 'why are MY ibanez guitars easier to bend ...etc', but I just want to know how i can improve my washburn ones to have the same looser feel as the ibanez's. Is it maybe the spring positions at the back?or thickness?bad set up?

I'd just like to know what things I can change or try that might possibly be a deciding factor on this!

thanks
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

Ok, if this was an issue for me I would start looking at things like:
- Fret size, specifically height
- String height off the frets
- String height at the nut
- Neck Relief
- Trem spring tension
- String brand
- String age

If you can make or make sure as many of those elements are the same, the easier it will be to make them both feel the same. The thing to bear in mind is some of these elements need to be measured with a high level of accuracy.

For example, a set of feeler gauges would be needed to measure things like string height and neck relief. Very small differences (1/64, 1/32) can change the feel of bending significantly.

Off of the top of my head, I don't know how one would easily measure trem spring tension (assuming they all have the same number of springs) but it would probably be easier to just find some high quality trem springs that are guaranteed to have consistent tension (at least when they're new).

ETA - Scale length will also influence string tension but as I recall, all of your guitars have 25.5" scale lengths.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

Radius? I know that flatter boards facilitate string bending, but I don't know the radii of the guitars in question.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

basically washburns suck
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Radius? I know that flatter boards facilitate string bending, but I don't know the radii of the guitars in question.
Yes, that's also another things to consider and the radius of the fingerboard affects the overall string height. Typically, the bigger the radius is, the lower the string height can be and still allow adequate bending.
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basically washburns suck
Oh please, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

I think the cause of your problem is the spring tension. Remember that whenever you do a big bend, the bridge goes flat (you can see this if you look at your bridge while bending), which is (I think) something to be expected when using this kind of bridges. How many springs are you using in your washburns? I only use 3 when playing in E standard.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

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basically washburns suck
Challenge. My N4 vintage is an amazing guitar. I'll put it up against my EBMM JP6 and my USA BC Rich.

I have admit I have noticed the difference in bending strings lately a lot. I have a Carvin DC200 that is impossible to bend. My N4 is like butter, effortless. My JP6 is closer to the Carvin. My Ibanez herd are all very easy to bend, but not as easy as the N4.

I'm sure its multiple factors, scale length, fretboard design, string gauge, etc.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

not sure that a string bending contest will change my mind about washburns
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

The amount of pressure it takes to get a string to go from one note to one whole step higher is constant no matter what. (assuming scale length is the same) It's the distance that changes. If you have a jazzbox with several inches of string behind the bridge and behind the nut, bending the string stretches those parts too. If you have a locking bridge (locked at the nut and bridge) the 25.5" length is all you're bending/stretching. If that locking bridge is a tremolo, then you're stretching the springs and bending the bridge forward. This is where I believe you are experiencing the difference, assuming you're lock nuts are locked. If they are unlocked, the reverse headstock completely reverses the behind the nut lenght and therefore the distance required for each string to reach pitch. The whole feel is inverted. So perform these tests with the nut locked! If it's still the case, the difference is in the balance of the bridge. The Ibanez bridges have (generally) a shorter block, and more mass than "OFR or Shaller-style" bridges. More importantly, the mass is distributed differently in relation to the block and studs. So when you bend, as others have said, the Washburn bridges are pulling flat to a different degree than the Ibanez bridges.

But remember, the word "tension" is often misapplied. At 25.5", it takes the same "tension" to reach any particular pitch regardless of all other factors. You just might have to push the string FARTHER to get to pitch because other things are giving way.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

I think my head just exploded.
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Re: Why are ibanez guitars easier to string bend than washburns?

reassemble your head and read this thread, it's all there:
http://www.jemsite.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=13

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the mass is distributed differently in relation to the block and studs
Unfortunately that has no influence on bending feel, only on flutter.
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