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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-20-2010, 09:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

When I watch videos of people doing tricks with the tremolo bar, it always surprises me how easily they press it down. On my RG1570, which I have had for a good 6 months now (first guitar with a tremolo) pressing it down seems more difficult. I can't be my strength because I work out a lot and have got big gunz (lol). Anyways, because I am new to this I figured lets ask the kind people at jemsite. So, why is the tremolo so "heavy"? I also have some (large) snapshots of the springs. Also, is it normal that you can't see all of the red things on the picture? Thanks for bearing with me.

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-20-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

well, the EdgePro is actually stiffer than many other trems. and i also think you have to have the springs "breaking" as they're spanking new. used springs usually are softer.
aobut the red things can't be seeing because of the point where you've taken the photograph, and also because their partially recessed into their "niches" into the spring block.

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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

As nuno said, springs need to be broken in. Also, if you don't use them for some time, they can stiffen back up again.

That said, I also wonder about how easily you see some guys dumping the bar. They can go from neutral to having the the bridge at a steep angle so quickly. Part of it is just practice, but another part of it makes me think that they probably do this all the time and their springs are probably older and well-used.
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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-20-2010, 10:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

Do you think I could improve it by unscrewing the spring screws a bit and putting the springs like so:

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\

EDIT: I am asking this because I put .010 strings on it and had to further screw in the screws to get the bridge nice and flat.
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

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Do you think I could improve it by unscrewing the spring screws a bit and putting the springs like so:

/
_
\

EDIT: I am asking this because I put .010 strings on it and had to further screw in the screws to get the bridge nice and flat.
move the springs over at the claw side / l \. will give a bit more tension
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move the springs over at the claw side / l \. will give a bit more tension
I assume that since tension will increase, i can unscrew the screws a bit.
But will this make pressing down the bar easier?
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I assume that since tension will increase, i can unscrew the screws a bit.
But will this make pressing down the bar easier?
I would think anything causing tension would be your enemy if you want the dumping the bar to be easier.
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I assume that since tension will increase, i can unscrew the screws a bit.
But will this make pressing down the bar easier?
yep, you should back the claw screws out a tad if you move the springs.
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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-20-2010, 06:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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I would think anything causing tension would be your enemy if you want the dumping the bar to be easier.
So what should I do, leave things like this and get the springs more "spongy" by using the tremolo a lot?

or:

Put the springs like \|/ ?

I guess you are partial to the former?
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post #10 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-20-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

You could switch to 9 gauge and only use 2 springs if you wanted. That would reduce tension.
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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-21-2010, 07:45 AM
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

Just abuse the tremolo alot. I've got a 2006 1570, it's pretty "spongy" now compared to when it was new.

It's boring as hell doing divebombs and squeals for 20 min, but it sure loosens your springs up.

Rock on!

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post #12 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-22-2010, 08:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

Well I think that's part of the problem: I don't know how to do squeals and dives yet. Maybe it's about time to look into that

And how about locking up my guitar in the case with the tremolo bar still in it so when the lid closes it is pressed down and leaving it for a day? Or is this bad for the guitar?

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Well I think that's part of the problem: I don't know how to do squeals and dives yet. Maybe it's about time to look into that
Sure you do! Hit a note, even an open string. Push the bar down so that pitch is lowered dramatically. That's a dive. Do a pinch harmonic or fret harmonic, then push the bar down. Now let it back up. There's your squeal.

Or, do a pinch harmonic with the bar down and then let it back up (Satriani), or "dump" the bar so the strings are slack, hit a note, and then do a fret harmonic as you let the bar back up (Dimebag). MY personal favorite is hitting 2 or more simultaneous pinch harmonics, and then doing a dive/pull-up/or both. Sounds like the devil is screamin at you!

These are the ones that might take a little bit of practice, mostly trial and error.

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And how about locking up my guitar in the case with the tremolo bar still in it so when the lid closes it is pressed down and leaving it for a day? Or is this bad for the guitar?
Don't do that! That's pretty extreme. I'd just stick with tweaking the number of strings, the strength of the springs, and their position in the trem cavity. Most of all, use it! Springs need to be broken in and used regularly to get more pliable.

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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-22-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

Maybe it's already been said, but why not be happy about that it is "heavy"?
It basically improve everything, the way I look at it, more stable trem, less pitch dips from moving the guitar, no "bauooowwww" wobbling when hitting chords, staying in tune better, no annoying "flutter" noise when not wanting it ect.


/Magnus
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post #15 of 15 (permalink) Old 02-20-2010, 11:15 PM
 
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Re: Why is my tremolo so "heavy"?

Dont be afraid to experiment with all the springs on your trem. Think of it as getting to know it better. Its all mechanical and can be readjusted by a tech if you cant figure it out.
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