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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 08-27-2011, 07:47 PM Thread Starter
 
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X-Ray guitars J Frog copy..

Alaskabat mentioned this company. $1500 for a Lynch Bones guitar copy.
Anybody have an opinion? Thoughts? Experience? I'm dying to own one but $1500 seems an odd price for a "handmade" guitar, especially one of these..
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Re: X-Ray guitars J Frog copy..

A friend of mine has made a couple of these and he asks for about Ģ1500, so $1500 sounds decent lol.

I asume you're referring to 'mom', btw.
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Re: X-Ray guitars J Frog copy..

A friend of mine has one, and I've played it--worth every penny! They are very close to the real J Frog guitars. Superior craftsmanship and build. Seymour Duncan Screamin' Demon, but you can choose a different Duncan, plus a real Floyd Rose. I've been on the verge of ordering one since I found out about them about 5 years ago.



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A friend of mine has one, and I've played it--worth every penny! They are very close to the real J Frog guitars. Superior craftsmanship and build. Seymour Duncan Screamin' Demon, but you can choose a different Duncan, plus a real Floyd Rose. I've been on the verge of ordering one since I found out about them about 5 years ago.
For a guy that goes through guitars like Jersey Shore goes through brain cells, 5 years is a big hold out lol.
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For a guy that goes through guitars like Jersey Shore goes through brain cells, 5 years is a big hold out lol.
Well, the problem is that I keep most of the ones I acquire. Once I go over 25 at a time, I thin out a few....LOL



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Well, the problem is that I keep most of the ones I acquire. Once I go over 25 at a time, I thin out a few....LOL
I hear you. That LNG is sweet btw. I never saw the NGD on that
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I hear you. That LNG is sweet btw. I never saw the NGD on that
It's certainly a keeper.

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f15/ng...ng-114282.html



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Re: X-Ray guitars J Frog copy..

Ed Romans J. Frog bones and the X-Ray bones are both completely wrong if you are looking for a copy of the original from 1986 that was featured in the Dokken videos etc. The original version was in the videos (It's Not Love, Dream Warriors, Burning Like a Flame, and the Dokken behind the scenes footage from the unchain the night video).

I am not plugging my guitars since I rarely make them but can say for sure that I am the only one who has faithfully copied the original version. I used highly detailed professional photography and video of the original to create a computer sculpt in Z-Brush that became the basis for the CnC file that Chris Woods uses. I worked on the project with Chris back in 2007-2008 and carved the guitar that was given to George Lynch along with the Beast Guitar which is also featured on Chris's website.

Here is a link to the thread I started in 2007 with pictures;

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f19/my...tar-70822.html

If you want more info, I interviewed George's guitar tech Gerry Ganaden at Sam Ash a while back for a video that was later posted by Chris Woods on youtube. Here is a link to that video;

http://youtu.be/BjqIXdjL_AI

As a side note, the guitar in that video is one I carved and airbrushed for George Lynch and is now in Gerry's possession.

I do commissions for this guitar from time to time but due to my work schedule it is usually only one or two per year. You can have Chris make you one which will be good since he uses my computer sculpt. His are not quite as detailed as mine but they are still much more accurate than the J. Frog, ESP, or X-Ray versions.

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Ed Romans J. Frog bones and the X-Ray bones are both completely wrong if you are looking for a copy of the original from 1986 that was featured in the Dokken videos etc. The original version was in the videos (It's Not Love, Dream Warriors, Burning Like a Flame, and the Dokken behind the scenes footage from the unchain the night video).

I am not plugging my guitars since I rarely make them but can say for sure that I am the only one who has faithfully copied the original version. I used highly detailed professional photography and video of the original to create a computer sculpt in Z-Brush that became the basis for the CnC file that Chris Woods uses. I worked on the project with Chris back in 2007-2008 and carved the guitar that was given to George Lynch along with the Beast Guitar which is also featured on Chris's website.

Here is a link to the thread I started in 2007 with pictures;

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f19/my...tar-70822.html

If you want more info, I interviewed George's guitar tech Gerry Ganaden at Sam Ash a while back for a video that was later posted by Chris Woods on youtube. Here is a link to that video;

http://youtu.be/BjqIXdjL_AI

As a side note, the guitar in that video is one I carved and airbrushed for George Lynch and is now in Gerry's possession.

I do commissions for this guitar from time to time but due to my work schedule it is usually only one or two per year. You can have Chris make you one which will be good since he uses my computer sculpt. His are not quite as detailed as mine but they are still much more accurate than the J. Frog, ESP, or X-Ray versions.

Regards,

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That's funny, considering the J. Frog version is the original. In fact, it's the J. Frog in the videos, but the on-hand ESP rep made George slap an ESP decal on the headstock. Then, the ESP version came out that was totally off. Not to put you down or anything, but Johnny Garcia (J. Frog) is still the dude that makes them and Ed sells them. To be honest--how can the maker of the original "Mom" bones be inferior to the others?



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That's funny, considering the J. Frog version is the original. In fact, it's the J. Frog in the videos, but the on-hand ESP rep made George slap an ESP decal on the headstock. Then, the ESP version came out that was totally off. Not to put you down or anything, but Johnny Garcia (J. Frog) is still the dude that makes them and Ed sells them. To be honest--how can the maker of the original "Mom" bones be inferior to the others?
I read that a "Ed Roman's J Frog Bones", i.e. the J Frog Bones that Ed Roman makes...

I was assuming that Ed's licenced the product of Johnny and is making less than wholly accurate versions in his shop. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I read that a "Ed Roman's J Frog Bones", i.e. the J Frog Bones that Ed Roman makes...

I was assuming that Ed's licenced the product of Johnny and is making less than wholly accurate versions in his shop. Maybe I'm wrong.
I've been clear on my views of Ed Roman before, and they still hold. However--these Bones are "supposedly" still built by Johnny, but sold by Ed. Who knows? Ed's so diluted that Cort could be making the darn things...



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Damn! Why did I have to see this thread?!?!??!!?
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Damn! Why did I have to see this thread?!?!??!!?
....and right after you got your maple Tiger, too!



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That's funny, considering the J. Frog version is the original. In fact, it's the J. Frog in the videos, but the on-hand ESP rep made George slap an ESP decal on the headstock. Then, the ESP version came out that was totally off. Not to put you down or anything, but Johnny Garcia (J. Frog) is still the dude that makes them and Ed sells them. To be honest--how can the maker of the original "Mom" bones be inferior to the others?
AlaskaBat,

While I appreciate your knowledge, I am a friend of John Garcia's (through Garrard Ganaden) and can tell you with 100% certainty that J. Frog (John Garcia) does not have anything to do with the individual guitars and has not been directly involved with production for some time now. He is still supposed to get a royalty for each guitar sold but that is about it.

There is nothing accurate about Ed's version with the exception that it is a guitar with skull and bone shapes carved into it and he bought the name J. Frog from John back in the late 90s. If you believe that guitar looks like the original than by all means purchase one or advocate for Ed Roman. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, however, when you get a chance look at the old Dokken videos or guitar mags from the mid 80s and do your own comparison.

I started my replica project after purchasing a J. Frog from Ed and being highly disappointed in the accuracy and quality. After I purchased it, I went to the Hard Rock in Los Angeles when the original was still there and took photos of it to make mine more accurate. When I got a good look at the original, I realized that there was nothing I could do to improve it and decided to start my computer model to have a body cut on a CnC.

I am just trying to be informative and let people know that if they want an accurate replica of the original to avoid Ed Roman, ESP, and X-Ray versions. They are all good guitars in their own right, just not accurate to the original.

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Wasn't trying to bash on you Chris--just pointing out the Johnny/ ed Roman thing--which seems to be quite deceptive.......thanks to Ed again for screwing everyone. I hadn't actually seen the "Roman" version up close--just associated it with J Frog. Man, Ed's a P.O.S.



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