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post #16 of 19 (permalink) Old 05-26-2008, 05:35 PM
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Re: Edge mysteries solved!!......? - Answers to some common ques

Inherent issue with any tremelo that isn't a Steinberger transtrem. They all do that. Because the springs are offsetting the tension of the strings. Simple physics really.
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post #17 of 19 (permalink) Old 05-26-2008, 06:13 PM
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Re: Edge mysteries solved!!......? - Answers to some common ques

There are a few ways to deal with it:

1. Bend the other note(s) slightly at the same time.

2. Apply pressure to the bridge with the edge of your palm while bending. If you learn to increase and reduce pressure at the right rate while you bend and release, the other notes can stay in tune very well.

3. More/stiffer springs will reduce the amount of bridge movement during bends.

4. A Tremsetter-style device will change the tremolo feel, but can hold the bridge in place during bends to a certain point and still allows bar use.

5. Tremol-No: You can quickly change between floating (as if the unit's not there at all) and hardtail mode (can't use the bar, bridge stays in place while bending).

I'd recommend working on points 1 & 2 first (after a while you'll probably be able to quickly adapt to any floating-bridge guitar), then deciding if any of the others are desired.
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Re: Edge mysteries solved!!......? - Answers to some common ques

hmm.. ill try using the "applying pressure on the bridge" method and i think it'll be somewhat simpler to start off with, cuz it sounds similar to right hand palm muting, only that the palm now rests on the bridge, behind the saddles!!

but, ive seen steve vai play unison bend phrases.. for example there's a phrase in "touching tongues".. i wonder how he manages to keep his full-floater in tune!! maybe using stiffer springs?! i doubt he's *also* bending the so-called *un-bent* note!!

anyway thanx for the help
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Re: Edge mysteries solved!!......? - Answers to some common ques

Here's the answer to your other thread
There are solutions to this problem
1) change your technique - this means either:
a) bending the usually unbent note to keep it in tune - (this is what I do)
b) resting your hand on the tremolo to keep it from moving when string bending
c) holding the whammy bar while doing unison bends to keep it from moving - (I do this sometimes)

2) change or add to your hardware
a) block the trem with wood in the spring cavity so it can only lower in pitch
b) use a tremol-no which achieves the same thing as a) but is easily switched on and off
c) Use and Ibanez backstop, Hipshot tremsetter or similar. This has additional springs that allow you to overtension the normal tremolo springs creating a deadspot. this means that the trem seems stiffer but returns better to pitch when released and doesn't move so much if at all when strings are bent. Steve Vai uses the backstop.
Hope it helps
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