'Fret out' and action height dilema - Jemsite
Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods Guitar workbench discussion such as setup, repairs, mods, installing new parts and more.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 11-29-2003, 02:07 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 8
'Fret out' and action height dilema

Hi People
Thanks to you guys and the info files i have got my new UV7BK trem floating and fluttering well. I added a three fold card shim, and highered the trem from the low depths of the body!

The problem i have now is that the action is 2mm from top of 24th fret to bottom of low B and just under 2mm on the high E, if i bend 4 frets at 17th fret it frets out, but i want the action a bit lower (like my strat). That is my 'catch 22'

What do i do?
moon_monster is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 11-30-2003, 07:09 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 52
Experiment with the neck relief, Im able to get really low on the new Pretige necks. Also check the nut height, Im finding them to be too high from the factory.
Dr_Guitar is offline  
post #3 of 7 (permalink) Old 11-30-2003, 09:03 PM
Vendor
 
Rich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 25,716
If I'm reading this right then only when you big bend the E at the 17th it's choking, in which case the 18th is a micro level out right where the E crosses it under the bend. If you haven't trimmed frets down or tapped them into line I would leave that to somebody else. Adjusting the relief is only effective if all the frets are choking under bends, and of course the nut is too high, they all are, but that won't affect playing at the 17th in the least. You can set the action with the strings laying right on the frets, you just have to be able to live with the amount of buzz and choking you'll get in that type setup.
Rich is offline  
post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-01-2003, 12:48 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Connecticut, USA
Posts: 406
Unfortunately, you don't get Anderson/Suhr quality fret jobs from Ibanez.

THe RG2020x I bought from Rich plays extremely well but it happens to be one that was done well at the factory. THe RG 2120x I jsut bought (NOS) was almsot as good but not quite.

When I buy any Ibanez, I buy it with the knowledge that it will need a fret level by my tech to play 100% its best.Then I can make the action extremely low and not get any buzzing anywhere.

If oyu have a good tech that you trust, invest $150.00 to $185.00 for a professional level and polish.

Like Rich said.The nut should have nothing to do with playing at the 17th fret.
Paul Secondino is offline  
post #5 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-01-2003, 08:44 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Secondino
Unfortunately, you don't get Anderson/Suhr quality fret jobs from Ibanez.

THe RG2020x I bought from Rich plays extremely well but it happens to be one that was done well at the factory. THe RG 2120x I jsut bought (NOS) was almsot as good but not quite.

When I buy any Ibanez, I buy it with the knowledge that it will need a fret level by my tech to play 100% its best.Then I can make the action extremely low and not get any buzzing anywhere.

If oyu have a good tech that you trust, invest $150.00 to $185.00 for a professional level and polish.

Like Rich said.The nut should have nothing to do with playing at the 17th fret.
I have to dissagree, Ibanez's fretwork is really quite good, I can usually get the action as low as a Jackson. A good fret level with sting tension applied to the neck will make for a great playing guitar, but Ibanez's rarely need this. I agree with Rich, its a minor problem on one fret.
Dr_Guitar is offline  
post #6 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-01-2003, 08:45 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Secondino
Unfortunately, you don't get Anderson/Suhr quality fret jobs from Ibanez.

THe RG2020x I bought from Rich plays extremely well but it happens to be one that was done well at the factory. THe RG 2120x I jsut bought (NOS) was almsot as good but not quite.

When I buy any Ibanez, I buy it with the knowledge that it will need a fret level by my tech to play 100% its best.Then I can make the action extremely low and not get any buzzing anywhere.

If oyu have a good tech that you trust, invest $150.00 to $185.00 for a professional level and polish.

Like Rich said.The nut should have nothing to do with playing at the 17th fret.
I have to dissagree, Ibanez's fretwork is really quite good, I can usually get the action as low as a Jackson. A good fret level with sting tension applied to the neck will make for a great playing guitar, but Ibanez's rarely need this. I agree with Rich, its a minor problem on one fret.
Dr_Guitar is offline  
post #7 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-04-2003, 02:21 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,383
Back in Dec 2002 I bought an RG 520 QSTB. It is a 1999 model and had been sitting in the store for some time.

My point? I'll get there . . .

The guitar, while dusted and polished (after it came out of storage) simply sat near a plate window, sun shining on it most days, never set up, I was told it was almost never touched, still had the stock strings on it.

The guitar kind of called to me, I'm sure some of you understand this . . . but being it had been in a store-room for a couple of years, then set on a shelf and never really checked over, I expected MINOR problems with setting it up, if going from a cold store-room to having the sun shine on it daily wouldn't cause some problems, I think the only other thing would be tossing it into a wall . . .

My point . . .

After a proper set up, I could have gone with 1mm action across the board with (almost) no buzzing or choking, the frets were VERY well set and level. Totally stock AND after sitting all that time, cold/hot/sun.

My 1990 RG550, while I don't know it's history before I bought it (pretty much picked it up right after they put it on the rack) it too had almost perfect frets. Back then all I cared about was low action and would go as low as I could without choking and, if memory serves, I had it at about 1mm across the board. Of course it's 14 years old now and I've never leveled the frets, but I have my action much higher now so as long as it's not choking anywhere, I'm not going to go through the work.

I've set up quite a few guitars for friends, and usually manage to talk them into Ibanez when they are looking for something "different". Actually it's the guitar that sells them on it, not me, I just suggest it . . . but I digress . . . and all of them have had pretty much good fretwork. Only a few times (in about 25 or so guitars) have I had to file a fret or two because of choking.

Of course Rich does this MUCH more often than I do, so he'll have more to do since you WILL have some slip through with a high fret or three, but I digress again . . .

Check out the frets on a Mexican Strat . . . I've also set up a few Gibs that REALLY needed good levels, beyond my skill to do as the entire board had to be done . . . I'm NOT doing that on a $2500 guitar with binding on the neck . . .

Mic
MicJustMic is offline  
Reply

Tags
fret level , mexican strat , neck relief , nut height , playing guitar

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
12th fret action vs. 24th action abstract_noise Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 12 04-19-2014 12:34 PM
Action - Bridge Height/Neck Bow/Fret Buzz/All that stuff kfm946 Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 10 06-20-2011 11:44 PM
is my action height high. do i need some fret work done? jrade Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 12 12-02-2009 09:16 PM
Action Height TroelsRasmussen Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 2 08-05-2007 12:17 PM
Action Height: What is yours at? waylay00 Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 7 04-16-2007 09:32 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome