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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 11-27-2018, 04:30 PM Thread Starter
 
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How many springs?

Hello,

I have a Lo-TRS trem. I am using 09-42 and guitar has 2 springs on it angled in this way / \.
It is better to use this config or the standard | | ?

I really like how loose is the use of the bar but the disadvantage is that the trem goes dows so easily during palm muting.
If a use 2 parallel springs can I get a slightly stiffer bridge? What about using 3?

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 11-27-2018, 09:07 PM
 
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You can't make the trem any stiffer because spring tension has to balance string tension, you'll have to modify your technique and palm mute with a lighter touch with your hand resting further forward, it won't take you long to get into the habit.
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Re: How many springs?

It will feel stiffer with 3 springs, might as well try out each config for yourself and see what you like. Spring tension does have to equal the string tension but the more springs you use the less they're each being stretched and the stiffer the trem feels.
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Re: How many springs?

Spring tension still has to balance string but there are very stiff springs, or the more you use the same net effect. The high tension Ibanez springs are an extreme pain to adjust because a hair of screw turn goes a long way, but if you want a stiff spring those are the ones. [though I'm sure somebody else makes them also]
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Re: How many springs?

So just to be clear, a standard set of 9-42 strings at concert pitch pulls about 84.5 lbs so with two springs this means each spring is balancing 42.25 lbs, and with three springs each one is balancing 28.17 lbs.

How is this different?
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Re: How many springs?

A dumb analogy because it's compression but you have a spring from a VW and a spring from an F350. Which one do you think is stronger?

His problem is the trem is diving from pressure put on the bridge, a higher tension spring resists the pressure much better.

Put 2 springs on balanced and 5 springs on balanced and tell me 5 springs isn't much tougher to dive.

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Re: How many springs?

Thank you so much. What about angled springs? I ask again the original question: are two parallel springs the same of two angled springs in terms of trem stiffness?
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Re: How many springs?

Angled springs come from 2 narratives, that a slightly more open spring opens slightly easier [softer feel] Or that it has more tension because it's already stretched open. The easiest answer is just do it and feel for yourself.
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post #9 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-30-2018, 06:26 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: How many springs?

Hello.
Today I have tried a R370 with Edge III tremolo and 09-46 strings Ernie ball strings.
That guitar had 4 parallel springs. The really weird thing was that it seemed way too easy to bend strings and to dive the bar compared to my guitar with 9-42 strings and only 2 angled springs.

How can you explain this?
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Hello.
Today I have tried a R370 with Edge III tremolo and 09-46 strings Ernie ball strings.
That guitar had 4 parallel springs. The really weird thing was that it seemed way too easy to bend strings and to dive the bar compared to my guitar with 9-42 strings and only 2 angled springs.

How can you explain this?

it could be a couple of variables in play. As rich said there are different spring tensions. Some aren't as stiff as others and I have seen springs actually be different lengths which can also change tension.

However, it is far more likely that the trem was actually set up correctly where the knife edges of the trem meet the posts at an exact perpendicular (90 degree) angle. Most of the ibanez trems when setup correctly are very responsive to dives and bends regardless of what strings or springs you have. I had an rg570 with 10-52s setup to standard tuning with 5 springs and the trem was still really responsive. I could do trem flutters, and large bends would cause all the other strings to go flat. Again as rich said the tensions needs to match between strings and springs. There should be more resistance to change with more springs added because the stress is being distributed across more springs. So I have to assume that there is something else at play and it isn't simply down to springs and spring tension.
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post #11 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-31-2018, 05:15 AM
 
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Re: How many springs?

I experimented a long time ago with differing numbers of springs and arrived at four being the perfect number for my preference. Springs are pretty cheap and if you've got an hour you can pretty quickly determine how many feels best for you.
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