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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 08:58 PM Thread Starter
 
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Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

So guys, i need a little bit of help here:

I'm thinking about buying a device like a backstop/tremsetter to put on my RG1550 but i'm wondering which is the best.

I've read that the original Ibanez backstop and the ESP arming adjuster won't fit in an Edge Pro guitar without routing so right now i'm looking at a Hipshot tremsetter.

My trem atm is set up with 3 springs like so:
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I'd like to know your advice on what to get and how to install it. Ibanez backstop, ESP arming adjuster or Hipshot tremsetter?


Cheers all, i know i've been posting alot of threads about mods i'm doing to my RG1550, but i'm really trying to pimp it up!
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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

this: http://www.***************.com/srs7/...se_pid/360425/
it's musicians friend. that's pretty cool. i installed one in my 1527. i'm gonna' buy a couple more for my other guitars. i can finally bend without going out of tune. i can still use the trem too. there are better ones, but this was really simple to install. you have to set up the trem springs a bit differently, but it's not much trouble.
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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

I've tested practically every trem setting unit except for the Tremol-no(unless somebody wants to send me one *wink* *wink*), and actually have the ESP Arming Adjuster installed on ALL my guitars. If you don't want to route into your guitar, you won't like the Hipshot tremsetter either since you gotta drill a 1/2" deep hole on the back of your trem cavity to accomodate the bar.

That tremsetter from WD Parts is interesting, but basically just acts as a trem stopper and stops your trem from going any further back(which is bad if you pull up on the trem). So realistically your options if you want full use of the trem you'd have to go for an Ibanez Backstop or an ESP Arming Adjuster (or that Rockinger one)

I've actually successfully installed an Arming Adjuster on a guys guitar WITHOUT any routing. The only trick was to screw in the bolt in as far as it would go and also shorten the overall length using the adjustment on the back of the Arming Adjuster. Depending on how deep your route is your trem may not have a lot of back pull as the trem eventually hits the solid part of the arming adjuster.

Seriously, even though you can more or less install an arming adjuster without routing, I strongly recommend that you DO route it to properly fit one in. Especially since it's not a whole lot to route, and the benefits a backstop or arming adjuster gives is well worth the trade off. I mean I routed the cavities my J-Customs, my USA custom and my UV777bk, I must have been nuts to cut wood out of those guitars, but hey, it was worth it!

If you don't want to do it yourself you can always take your guitar to a tech to do it (or send it to me ).

(oh yeah, you can install the Arming Adjuster with either two springs in a V or straight(depending on your string gauge) or even three or four springs. You just don't use the middle one. Feel free to bug me if you got any questions about installing one of these buggers.
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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

So do i only need to have 2 springs on my guitar with the ESP arming adjuster?
As in:
spring, esp, spring
....|......||.....|


I use .10 strings and my trem has been set up with 3 springs in straight

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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

You would need two shorter/stronger springs if you wanted to use two springs with a set of 10's. You'd probably have to do what I'm doing and set it up like this

spring, esp, spring, spring
...../....||......|.........|

Mind you, if you had just two shorter/stronger springs you could just do this:

spring, esp, spring
.../......||.......\
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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

This maybe a stupid question, but I'd rather know for sure before buying one. There wouldn't be a problem with the arming adjuster on a floating Wilkinson, again a stupid question and I'm all but positive it wouldn't matter what trem it was as long as theres a block for the ESP to make contact with right? Thanks in advance...
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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

I want something like that so that I can go drop d on my ibanez guitars without having to de tune the whole guitar. I'm using my les paul for drop d, not that i do alot of it.
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Re: Ibanez backstop/ESP arming ad. etc~

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This maybe a stupid question, but I'd rather know for sure before buying one. There wouldn't be a problem with the arming adjuster on a floating Wilkinson, again a stupid question and I'm all but positive it wouldn't matter what trem it was as long as theres a block for the ESP to make contact with right? Thanks in advance...
The ESP Arming adjuster will work with practically any trem, Wilkinson trems included, and your right, as long as there's a sustain block for the Arming Adjuster to make contact to it's fine.
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this: http://www.***************.com/srs7/...se_pid/360425/
it's musicians friend. that's pretty cool. i installed one in my 1527. i'm gonna' buy a couple more for my other guitars. i can finally bend without going out of tune. i can still use the trem too. there are better ones, but this was really simple to install. you have to set up the trem springs a bit differently, but it's not much trouble.
does that basically block the trem so you cant do up bends?
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does that basically block the trem so you cant do up bends?
No actually it just returns the tremelo to zero better and you can still raise notes, although thats a pretty low quality one, it doesn't compare to the ESP arming adjuster though
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No actually it just returns the tremelo to zero better and you can still raise notes, although thats a pretty low quality one, it doesn't compare to the ESP arming adjuster though
oh right so they just covered the springs with plastic then, i thought it was a rigid rod kinda like a tremol-no that you couldnt "undo"
why buy that when u can buy an arming adjuster off rich for $30, not a huge price diff!
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