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Ibanez Trems "Ingredients" and Qualities

So I'm wondering, what is each Ibanez trem made of? What kind of metal is used for each trem? I understand that each trem can use a different metal so can someone tell/post what kind is used for each? In addition, what is done to the metal and how is it formed for each trem? Thanks
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Who knows...Ibanez has never been very forthcoming or useful when it comes to talking about their bridges. The Edge and Lo Pro Edge bridges appeared to have hardened steel knife edges pressed into them, but the rest of the component is probably just pot metal.
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Who knows...Ibanez has never been very forthcoming or useful when it comes to talking about their bridges. The Edge and Lo Pro Edge bridges appeared to have hardened steel knife edges pressed into them, but the rest of the component is probably just pot metal.
This^^

All of the Gotoh made "Edge" variants are made of pot metal (white metal, Zinc, mystery metal)

Gotoh gets around all of the inherent problems of pot metal by using, as mentioned, hardened steel inserts for the knife edges, a hardened steel plate under the baseplate for the intonation screws, and a better type (unknown- probably still pot metal) of metal for the saddles.
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All of the Gotoh made "Edge" variants are made of pot metal (white metal, Zinc, mystery metal)

Gotoh gets around all of the inherent problems of pot metal by using, as mentioned, hardened steel inserts for the knife edges, a hardened steel plate under the baseplate for the intonation screws, and a better type (unknown- probably still pot metal) of metal for the saddles.
Which trems did Gotoh make for Ibanez?
What is pot metal?
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Which trems did Gotoh make for Ibanez?
What is pot metal?
literally just scrap metal; whatever's cheap. A lot of it turns out to be zinc, but it can also be an alloy of lead, copper, tin, aluminium, or whatever's cheap on the market.
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Gotoh made:

Original Edge
Lo-Pro Edge
Edge Pro
Edge Zero
Zero Resistance (ZR)

Pot metal is a cheap to make cast metal that melts at very low temps. It has many drawbacks and is inherently flawed. Read more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal
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[QUOTE=RGTFanatic;1319117]Gotoh made:

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Very interesting... Thank you so much!

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Gotoh made:

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Very interesting... Thank you so much!
Your welcome..... I hope you find the info usefull
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Gotoh made:

Original Edge
Lo-Pro Edge
Edge Pro
Edge Zero
Zero Resistance (ZR)

Pot metal is a cheap to make cast metal that melts at very low temps. It has many drawbacks and is inherently flawed. Read more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal
Edge Zero and ZR series trems are not Gotoh-made.
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literally just scrap metal; whatever's cheap. A lot of it turns out to be zinc, but it can also be an alloy of lead, copper, tin, aluminium, or whatever's cheap on the market.
So far from the truth, you make it sound like they check commodity prices and change the metallurgic formula based on what metals are the cheapest at the time. The formula doesn't change, the costs of what goes in it does.

Pot metal [spelter, white metal, mystery metal] are all zinc based alloys usually proprietary for their intended use.
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So far from the truth, you make it sound like they check commodity prices and change the metallurgic formula based on what metals are the cheapest at the time. The formula doesn't change, the costs of what goes in it does.

Pot metal [spelter, white metal, mystery metal] are all zinc based alloys usually proprietary for their intended use.
Pot metal sounds pretty bad...
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Odd that it never seemed to hurt Joe, Steve, John, Paul, and everybody else tone......
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Odd that it never seemed to hurt Joe, Steve, John, Paul, and everybody else tone......
All I'm saying is that it just seems to be a pretty bad metal to use, I see people upgrading the sustain blocks to brass as well
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I see people do stupid stuff every day.

There's nothing wrong with customizing your gear however you want. On the other hand, let's repeat, Joe, Steve, John, Paul, never changed their blocks.

Casting costs WAY more than simply stamping a sheet of steel into a lazy Z, so anybody that thinks they cast trems because it's cheap is off their rockers.
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I see people do stupid stuff every day.

There's nothing wrong with customizing your gear however you want. On the other hand, let's repeat, Joe, Steve, John, Paul, never changed their blocks.

Casting costs WAY more than simply stamping a sheet of steel into a lazy Z, so anybody that thinks they cast trems because it's cheap is off their rockers.
I wouldn't go so far as to getting an upgrade "stupid"

And Steve actually had his blocks licensed under Floyd Rose patients, we saw that with the guitar he had when using it on where the wild things are dvd

not to mention the tone difference from the blocks
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