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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-16-2004, 01:44 PM Thread Starter
 
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Increasing flutter

What adjustments would I need to make to my guitar to get more flutter out of my tremolo?
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-16-2004, 02:25 PM
 
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taking a spring out of the back would likely help a bit...factory, ibanez guitars come with 3 springs, but you can get away with two. I was using 4 for a while and could still flutter.

Interestingly, I'm about to install a backstop unit in my jem, and I'm really worried it will KILL the flutter
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Check the tech support section here and at Ibanez Rules
And you should have all the info you need.

Dave, I would expect a backstop to kill ANY flutter you might get.
Unless you're getting a Tremol-no , I would expect a 'ponk' sound when tring to flutter aginst a wood block or whatever.

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Simple rules for good flutter.

Arm holder and bar MUST be tight.
Good studs and knives filled to match.

Outside of that to actually increase the amount of flutter you can put on a longer block or add more weight to the end of the bar, like a Sure Grip sleeve. Both will give additional duration but can cut down on the frequency rate [a good thing IMO]
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Back stops don't kill flutter.

Steve Vai uses them and flutters all the time. :-)

I'm sure they reduce flutter, but not enough to be a real problem.

Now Trem Setters, those things, YUCK!

True, the tuning is great with them, and you can pretty much bend your high E up 2 steps and your low E will still be in tune, but they are STIFF, and they DO kill flutter.

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in rich's site he is talking about short and longer springs

my flutter is ****ter and hardly exist

wich ones do i have? (wich once should i have, wich one give more flutter)


also
someone recomanded me to use the black springs of fender
anyone have something to say about it?

should i try?
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I guess you expect us to read your mind because you haven't even said what kind of guitar you have, but I've never noticed a difference in flutter with long or short springs. Did you actually read this thread?
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like a Sure Grip sleeve.
where can i find one of these?
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I guess you expect us to read your mind because you haven't even said what kind of guitar you have, but I've never noticed a difference in flutter with long or short springs. Did you actually read this thread?
i have jem7vwh 2002 in dead mint condition
was hardly played

yes i have read it
its new guitar i dont think i have anything wrong with the studs or bridge
yet i have no flutter

i dont think i should change the block or add parts to the guitar
i like it original but i want the damn flutter

(sorry if i did miss something my english isnt that good, im from israel)
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Back stops don't kill flutter. Steve Vai uses them and flutters all the time.
it depends on how you set it.
that's why i think Mr.Nordegg sets Vai's Backstops just for trem's perfect return-to-zero (i.e. less counter-pressure required).
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I guess you expect us to read your mind because you haven't even said what kind of guitar you have, but I've never noticed a difference in flutter with long or short springs. Did you actually read this thread?
i have jem7vwh 2002 in dead mint condition
was hardly played

yes i have read it
its new guitar i dont think i have anything wrong with the studs or bridge
yet i have no flutter

i dont think i should change the block or add parts to the guitar
i like it original but i want the damn flutter

(sorry if i did miss something my english isnt that good, im from israel)
Before I start on a list of what to check have you been able to pull off flutter on another guitar?
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on almost every ibanez guitar i have played.

and i spend alot of time at guitar shops.

i had jem7dbk before and it was much better than my jem7vwh.
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Make sure the arm holder is tight, new bushings on the bar, nut is tight, make sure the trem isn't touching the guard, and then i'd pull the trem out for visual inspection.
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problem solved

i got new prings
the diffrence is amazing
im a happy flutterer again


i got ibanez springs and i have notice that the ones i have in my jem have chrome overlay, the new ones(that are much better) are dull metal (not chrome)

know what im talking about rich?
are they diffrent type?

i think ill try the black fender springs too
ill buy some next week
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