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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 09-24-2011, 01:32 AM Thread Starter
 
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Question about String Tension!

OK hey guys, so I have a Schecter Jeff Loomis 7 string guitar I just purchased, it's a really great guitar.

Well, I have 9-42+54 on Bflat (one-half step down from standard) and the strings have a bit of slack.

Would getting the 9 strings AGAIN, but getting the hybrid "heavy bottom", i.e. 9-46+56 give it more tension? Or will this not affect it at all?

I mean, the guitar is so good, that, I don't even have buzz. It's just the strings feel too slacky, not so much on the thicker strings, but def. on the high E string.

I could always try 10's let me know pleaseeeee
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Re: Question about String Tension!

Just step up a gauge, it will also improve the tone drastically. 56 is WAY to little IMO for a top B. I use slightly larger than that for my E string.
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See, I always found the tone difference vs. string gauge to be negligible. I think the majority comes from the hands and amp.

I'm willing to try it though, but...

My main question is simply, will the 9-46+56 hybrid 7 string set have MORE tension in Bflat tuning than the 9-42+54 string set??

Obviously the only difference is the .42,.54 strings vs the .46,.56 strings on the heavy end??

Because I don't want to buy the 9-46+56 strings and have them feel just like the 9-42+54's I have here on now...
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Re: Question about String Tension!

Yes, it will obviously increase tension, but the difference will be minor and barely noticeable.

Like musikron said...go to 10's and you'll solve your problem. I've also heard a lot of complaints about the hybrid heavy bottoms......... and I use EB strings almost exclusively.
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Interesting.

I worked on my pick attack so it is very light. and my action is medium-low.

but I might try those 10's. Hopefully they aren't that bad at bending though, I like the bendability of 9's alot.
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It's just the strings feel too slacky, not so much on the thicker strings, but def. on the high E string.
If it's the fine strings that feel too slack why would you go with a heavioer set that had the same fine strings.

1/2 step down, 1 gauge up.
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If it's the fine strings that feel too slack why would you go with a heavioer set that had the same fine strings.

1/2 step down, 1 gauge up.
Oh. thanks Rich. I will heed your advice, since your a trusted name around here.

The ONLY reason I wanted the hybrid set, is because I figured the heavier gauge on the low strings might add more tension to the 9 strings (fine strings) etc...

It feels good now, I mean, if you have good light pick attack, the guitar feels perfect.

I guess it's my personal preferance

And it sucks too, because the guitar tech charged me 60$ to setup this 7 string to Bflat with these 9 strings, so I will have to pay 60$ again if I want 10s
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Or you should learn to do it yourself.

The 009 could care less if you have a 072 on the bottom, it's responsible for it's own pitch and will only be at the tension needed for that pitch.
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And it sucks too, because the guitar tech charged me 60$ to setup this 7 string to Bflat with these 9 strings, so I will have to pay 60$ again if I want 10s
No it will not, because you're going to man up and learn to do it yourself.
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No it will not, because you're going to man up and learn to do it yourself.
Lol, I used to do it myself all the time. Adjusting the truss rod, action, intonation, what have you.

It's just time consuming, and I'm a Pharmacy student full time and work part-time so have little time to play my guitar let alone set it up....


...Besides, I'm a firm believer that if you want to do something in life, you focus on that one goal; if you want to play guitar and rock out, you don't waste time on the tech stuff..there's guitar techs for that....
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...Besides, I'm a firm believer that if you want to do something in life, you focus on that one goal; if you want to play guitar and rock out, you don't waste time on the tech stuff..there's guitar techs for that....
Eddie Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix, Steve Vai, and quite a few more. These guys were all VERY big into their guitar tech. I know I personally became a better player just after reading Rich's tech section on his site. Learning the tech side lets you tailor your instrument to you, not to what some tech thinks might be right. A prime example is yet another tech/musician Yngwie Malmsteen, he plays with his action absurdly high and with very deeply scalloped frets (which he did himself). No tech in a billion years would set up someone's guitar like that unless you specifically told them to, and even then it will probably still be wrong.

As for string tension questions, use http://www.bangzero.org/stringtension/
It's amazing. It's how I found my holy grail strings.
In case anyone's interested, they're DR Tite-Fit guages .010, .013, .017, .030, .042, .056 for E standard. The low strings have about 6 lbs more tension than the high strings. This is perfect for me as I have a very aggressive rhythm pick attack, but not so much for lead. I also calculated out sets for many tunings based on the tension those strings give. I'd say it's a good idea, except for a Bb with the tension I want I'd need an .080, have fun getting that through your bridge and tuning head.
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