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Repairs VS Value

This may have been discussed somewhere here, but I have a question.

Anyone have an opinion on repairs vs value? Let's say small dings. Would you do a spot in, of something the size of a dime? Meaning, filling, airbrushing color, then 2K clear, wet sand, and polish out? Or would you leave the dings in? I would think if done right, small imperfection repairs could add value, no?

Let's say there is a scratch, and it can be buffed out, who wouldn't do it?

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It's the same as the survivor car vs. the restored or enhanced.

Bottom line only a master will make blems disappear and there are few and far of those. I used to be in the camp where I'd polish guitars if customers asked, and still would, but I'd never enhance them before I put them up for sale. It's my job to evaluate what it is in it's current state. My own, I prefer my guitars untouched, They live their history. I may hand rub light fingernail scratching to a shine, I'm not going to wetsand to remove them, I just don't want the clear cloudy. You can get into trouble wetsanding as I've personally gone thru top layer of clear to expose a layer underneath more than once, which is when I stopped. Where the two layers meet there will always be a fogged area at the edge, the more you polish it, the larger in diameter it gets.

Most people just want to make it "look better" so a poor touch up is better to them than no touch up. I don't think there's going to be a difference in value between a guitar with a few chips and dings and a guitar with obvious touch ups to those chips and dings. If a master could make them disappear it adds alot of value, but is too often never disclosed, and if it's disclosed now, might not be 3 owners from now. Even a master repair can be detected by a skilled eye, but master repairs would and should cost the equivalent to how perfect they are, so the guitar needs to be of a certain worth before spending the money makes financial sense, but most people have touch ups done for emotional reasons. Not to make them worth more, just to make them look better. It's their baby, they just put an ugly scar, they want it to look better so they go find some nailpolish. Or the other half that think the wood can't be left bare because humidity will get into the body. Trust me, it doesn't need that chip to get in. And "sealing the edges" so it doesn't get worse only makes sense if there is a loose edge to the chipped area and you plan on bumping it into something again. Chips usually aren't like that though. Smashes are.

I've done some pretty invisible touch ups, I haven't in some time, and I had a DNA that would have made good practice but it's smacks and smashes on a new guitar were the story it lived. I don't doubt that guitar pops up for resale touched up at some point, it was a nice one.
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I had a DNA that would have made good practice

Now would the value increase if you did the touch ups with Steve's blood?
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I had a DNA that would have made good practice

Now would the value increase if you did the touch ups with Steve's blood? <img src="http://www.jemsite.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Laughing" class="inlineimg" />
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I don't worry about dings much. Most Guitars aren't going to hold value anyway. The used market around here is crap as far as trying to sell anything. I see Guitars sitting on Craigslist for months on end unsold. There's just no market for them. I say put some real road wear on & have fun. In the end it's just a hunk of wood with electrical parts added to it.
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It's the same as the survivor car vs. the restored or enhanced.
Ah, hey Rich, it's AJ... I look forward to getting my axe!

You know, I got my first RG550 in 1990 off the wall, it was the green serpent. I didn't like the color at the time, but I bought it because of how it played. I sold it in 07 and have been chasing that feel (and sound) again, all these years later. The guitar I'm getting from you was the one I really wanted back then, and I figured this time around I'll get what I want...

I did get a 7V a few years back, and no matter what I do, it just doesn't have that tone I remember from my old RG, but I could very well just be getting old and can't remember worth a $%$&...lol

My serpent was near perfect when I let it go, because I was just very careful with it, so for some reason I just simply planned to make the new one (perfect) without first considering if it should be. I've since come to the conclusion (and after your post) that sometimes character is a good thing, although I am a professional body man and airbrusher, so I'm confident I can make a dime size mark disappear, but the question is should I?

Anyway, I'm getting my dream rig, so thanks for that! I look forward to bonding with it!
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Now would the value increase if you did the touch ups with Steve's blood?
"Hey Steve, yea uh, hey man. You see, I need to do a little touch up, and I was just wondering, ummm how you feelin today?" lol...
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It's the same as the survivor car vs. the restored or enhanced.
Ah, hey Rich, it's AJ... I look forward to getting my axe!

You know, I got my first RG550 in 1990 off the wall, it was the green serpent. I didn't like the color at the time, but I bought it because of how it played. I sold it in 07 and have been chasing that feel (and sound) again, all these years later. The guitar I'm getting from you was the one I really wanted back then, and I figured this time around I'll get what I want... <img src="http://www.jemsite.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

I did get a 7V a few years back, and no matter what I do, it just doesn't have that tone I remember from my old RG, but I could very well just be getting old and can't remember worth a $%$&...lol

My serpent was near perfect when I let it go, because I was just very careful with it, so for some reason I just simply planned to make the new one (perfect) without first considering if it should be. I've since come to the conclusion (and after your post) that sometimes character is a good thing, although I am a professional body man and airbrusher, so I'm confident I can make a dime size mark disappear, but the question is should I?

Anyway, I'm getting my dream rig, so thanks for that! I look forward to bonding with it!
If you wanna fix it I say go for it. I have a roadstar 2 that has a big spider crack ding in an obvious place on the body, & if you looked at the grooves on the fretboard you'd swear it needs replacing. Maybe some day I'll do a fill & paint on it, but I bang on that thing every day so I haven't taken the time to break it down & take care of it.
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Now would the value increase if you did the touch ups with Steve's blood?
Absolutely, if I could get some

I really wanted to do it as a challenge, I think I could have made all of them virtually undetectable, but detectable. You can never get the sheen to match, but if you can take a smashed edge and edge chips and make them disappear from 1' it's challenging because you need every technique to do that job, a tough and time consuming job. Had to be 30 hours. Last job I did was a UVRE that tore 3 large areas of swirl off from below the con covers end, and both the bottom corners of the trem cover. I had 15 hours in that and I had the pieces, that was absolutely undetectable except for 2 small cloudy 2mm lines out of about 60mm in repaired edge. It lost the factory surface with the wetsand and polish and that was the only way you could tell it was toyed with, the back was polished perfect while the front was still showing it's distinctive original surface.
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Ah, hey Rich, it's AJ... I look forward to getting my axe!
If that's the guitar I'd steam the board and smooth it out and just clean everything else. If you can get the body perfect it would definitely be worth more, I dinged it pretty good for the dings
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If that's the guitar I'd steam the board and smooth it out and just clean everything else. If you can get the body perfect it would definitely be worth more, I dinged it pretty good for the dings
Well, that's the thing... Their value is all over the map. After a cyanoacrylate fill, fine airbrush paint, 2K clear, 3200-12000 wet sand, polish and wax, I'm confident in the finished project. I would work on something else of similar material first, but I spot in all the time on cars... I build hotrods all the time...

We are talking some time though, one spot is probably 10-15 hours.

Anyway, we'll see...
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We are talking some time though, one spot is probably 10-15 hours.

Anyway, we'll see...
That's kinda the whole point, if you had to charge to do the job it would not make fiscal sense, except to make it how you want and it's only your time you're burning. But it's considerable time and comes with a considerable bill. I have to get my dash recovered, I know the right place, I don't yet know how much all that expertise and time is going to choke me, but I'm sure it will.
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That's kinda the whole point, if you had to charge to do the job it would not make fiscal sense, except to make it how you want and it's only your time you're burning. But it's considerable time and comes with a considerable bill. I have to get my dash recovered, I know the right place, I don't yet know how much all that expertise and time is going to choke me, but I'm sure it will.
Yea, it's labor now a days that's outrageous. Some projects can't be done to turn a profit, like this one. This one would have to be a labor of love, that will be enjoyed and refreshed for personal use, only to be concerned about value way down the road.

But it really comes down to your plans for it, if it wasn't a dream of mine to own, the hours put in wouldn't be worth it, and if I wasn't confident, it wouldn't be a good idea at all.

With a car, I usually first determine what it's for, and how much work compared to value I'll accomplish on it. No reason to put 50k into a car that's worth 20k, that's just stupid business. It's the same with hours, you have to have a reason to spend more hours then value.

Well this axe is for me so, I guess I'll let the instrument speak for itself when it gets here...
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