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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 05-13-2016, 12:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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Semi De-Wanging the Wanging Bar: Edge Pro Edition

I’m looking for some advice or opinions from Edge Pro players who’ve installed a Backstop, Black Box or Tremsetter type device, preferably in your guitar, but hey I don’t judge… much

Looking to find something that will keep the other strings in tune when one (or more) breaks.

I’ve skimmed several years of the forum here and seems like the preference would be a Backstop, but the Black Box works just as well? Are two stopper doodads any better than just one stopper doodad?
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 05-16-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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Re: Semi De-Wanging the Wanging Bar: Edge Pro Edition

Do you want the bridge to function more or less normally otherwise, and just not go out of tune when a string breaks?

The easiest wat to do this is to either fully block the bridge, or use a Tremol-no to lock it down. This will keep the guitar in tune when strings break, but will mean it's going to function like a fixed bridge, so you can't do anything with the bar.

Next would be to block it for dive-only operation. You can either carefully block it so the trem only moves in one direction, or use a Tremol-no with the Deep-C in position (and I'd lock it down with an allen screw rather than a thumbscrew). This will let you dive, but won't let you flutter, use bar vibrato (unless you carefully do down-only vibrato), or pull back on the bar.

I haven't used a Backstop or Black Box, but maybe a decade ago I had a Tremsetter in a 7620 for a while. I honestly don't remember if it had enough counterforce to keep a guitar in tune when you broke a string; I suspect it'd at least stay pretty close on the high e string, but not on the wound strings. It worked relatively well - it'd let you do in-tune compound bends, and pull up as well as dive, but you could feel it in the bar which was a little disconcerting, and it absolutely killed flutter, if that's important too you.

If it's just a matter of not wanting to chance a break during a particular performance or something, and you don't really need the bar but want to have the option of getting at it, a Tremol-no is a pretty good compromise. Most of my Floyd-equipped guitars have one, and the rest will as well, once I get around to ordering and installing the last few. I usually just leave them unlocked, but it's useful enough to be able to quickly disable your trem that I like having the option there.
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Re: Semi De-Wanging the Wanging Bar: Edge Pro Edition

Awesome, had never heard of it, but the Tremol-no sounds like the best compromise.

Nope, don't need flutter for my bag of tricks. Not overly worried about the bar in general, but would rather use a flexible device than a more permanent solution. The tuning stability is most important, but if there's a good device, and I'm already going to jam something in there, prefer to leave the bridge options open.

Do you notice any difference in feel when the Tremol-no is unlocked? My only worry from looking at it, is whether the mechanism and added bulk of the device might seem clunky.

Thank you very much for the cool tip!
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Re: Semi De-Wanging the Wanging Bar: Edge Pro Edition

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Do you notice any difference in feel when the Tremol-no is unlocked? My only worry from looking at it, is whether the mechanism and added bulk of the device might seem clunky.
If it's dialed in right (and the newer clamp style with aluminum pins is WAY easier to dial in than previous iterations), almost nothing. My experience is that the "frequency" and width of the flutter comes down a hair; it's faster, and narrower. Otherwise, though, if the bar is unlocked you'll never even know it's there. It's made out of, primarily, machined aluminum, so it's not as massive as you might think.
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