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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-11-2017, 11:59 AM Thread Starter
 
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Strings are too tight and sound muffled on Lo Pro Edge

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First post here. I have a 1998 RG 7620 with a Lo Pro Edge unit. I did some setup on this guitar yesterday, the action, intonation, angle of the bridge and truss rod all seemed fine.

There is only one problem, the string felt really really tight, I can't even fully bend a full step up. Also, the low B string sounded really muffled/muted, like a very old string would, but the string was brand new and fresh out of the box. If it is any relevant, the previous owner set it up in ADGCFAD (full step down) tuning, while I set it up in drop A tuning. The string gauges I used was 10-13-17-26-36-46-56. I also tried adjusting string claw screws to balance the tension.

I use three springs in the back, as well as a Tremol-No unit.
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-11-2017, 01:41 PM
 
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Re: Strings are too tight and sound muffled on Lo Pro Edge

Is it your first seven string? I've been playing them so long that I barely notice anymore but I've always thought that the trem on a seven string felt "stiffer" because of the added tension that the low B imparts, so there's a little less give when you bend.

No notes are choking or anything, though? That would certainly explain the B string. Also, a 56 in A is awfully loose, you might want to try a heavier string there. I use a 62 or 64, I forget exactly, in B standard - I used to use a 68 because that's all Elixir offered bigger than a 56 (which was way too loose for me with 10s in standard), but recently have begun using a single string bass Elixir for the low B, and it sounds perfectly normal.
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Thanks Drew!

Yeah this is my first seven string. And actually this is my first guitar with a FR based tremolo. The bridge itself felt normal, but the strings certainly don't. No notes on any frets were choking, but the low B string (low A for me) is not loose but incredibly tight. I can barely bend that string, and even when I play it open, it sounds so muffled and barely had much sustain.

I can't think of what could have gone wrong when I was doing the setup. The strings this guitar came with sounded perfectly fine.
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Re: Strings are too tight and sound muffled on Lo Pro Edge

Stupid question, but are you sure you tuned the low B string down to A and not up to unison with the 5th string A? A 056 low B(A) string shouldn't be that tight.
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Stupid question, but are you sure you tuned the low B string down to A and not up to unison with the 5th string A? A 056 low B(A) string shouldn't be that tight.
I'm stupid but not THAT stupid lol, yeah, I tuned low B down to A and couldn't figure out why it's so tight. Added another spring, lowered the action, adjusted spring claw screws and it feels good now.
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Wasn't implying you were stupid at all, but I had to ask... No insult intended ;-)
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Wasn't implying you were stupid at all, but I had to ask... No insult intended ;-)
Non taken man, couldn't figure out why it was so tight though. I'm actually thinking of selling it, it's a good guitar but the FR system is just too much hassle to set up.
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Re: Strings are too tight and sound muffled on Lo Pro Edge

my 7620 nor 7420 have that issue..i use the 56 for my low b and if anything it is just a tad sloppy...as for the edge trem? once its setup to your liking you wont have to do it again unless you change tunings or string gauge...i'd give it a little time if i were you before selling it...d.m.
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Non taken man, couldn't figure out why it was so tight though. I'm actually thinking of selling it, it's a good guitar but the FR system is just too much hassle to set up.
For what it is worth, I think everything you have experienced is pretty normal. Previous experiences always affect how we perceive our new experiences. You said you could not bend the 7th string up a whole step but you never mentioned where you were trying to bend the string. 12th fret? 7th fret? 3rd fret? The closer you get to the nut the harder it is to bend the string. That's the rule. As I'm sure you now know, when you bend a string on FR equipped guitar, the string you are bending is compensating for the loss of tension in the other strings. Simply put, bending a string is harder on a guitar with a floating bridge vs. fixed bridge. Also, playing a different type of guitar for the first time is usually when you are the most sensitive to those differences. These are just a few things to keep in mind.

One last thing, you may have used a .056 string that was "fresh out the box" but you have no idea when it went "in the box." Perhaps it does not matter, but when new strings sound like dead strings, it makes me wonder.
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As Drew said 7s are stiffer cause you get less neck and trem relief when bending.

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Simply put, bending a string is harder on a guitar with a floating bridge vs. fixed bridge.
To clarify if you mean physically harder that is not the case. On a floating bridge the string you're bending is physically easier to bend since the bend pulls the bridge and all 6 strings flat thus lowering all counter tension to the string you're pulling. OTOH with a fixed bridge all 6 strings remain under full tension during the bend so the one under your fingers has more tension too.

That said the trem claw setup has no effect on bending but a neutral float will give more relief.

Switch to 009 is my advice here or a hybrid lighter 10 set on the unwound GBE. You can't setup the trem to neutral until you pick a gauge string and tuning though.

You have a point however unless you're a whammy nut the floating trem is a major PITA. Still the 7620 is a quality axe you can just block the trem until you figure it out.
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As Drew said 7s are stiffer cause you get less neck and trem relief when bending.


To clarify if you mean physically harder that is not the case. On a floating bridge the string you're bending is physically easier to bend since the bend pulls the bridge and all 6 strings flat thus lowering all counter tension to the string you're pulling. OTOH with a fixed bridge all 6 strings remain under full tension during the bend so the one under your fingers has more tension too.

That said the trem claw setup has no effect on bending but a neutral float will give more relief.

Switch to 009 is my advice here or a hybrid lighter 10 set on the unwound GBE. You can't setup the trem to neutral until you pick a gauge string and tuning though.

You have a point however unless you're a whammy nut the floating trem is a major PITA. Still the 7620 is a quality axe you can just block the trem until you figure it out.
I was thinking the tremolo springs were pulling back against the string being bent. Technically, they are, but springs are easier to stretch than a solid piece of wood.
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As Drew said 7s are stiffer cause you get less neck and trem relief when bending.


To clarify if you mean physically harder that is not the case. On a floating bridge the string you're bending is physically easier to bend since the bend pulls the bridge and all 6 strings flat thus lowering all counter tension to the string you're pulling. OTOH with a fixed bridge all 6 strings remain under full tension during the bend so the one under your fingers has more tension too.

That said the trem claw setup has no effect on bending but a neutral float will give more relief.

Switch to 009 is my advice here or a hybrid lighter 10 set on the unwound GBE. You can't setup the trem to neutral until you pick a gauge string and tuning though.

You have a point however unless you're a whammy nut the floating trem is a major PITA. Still the 7620 is a quality axe you can just block the trem until you figure it out.
I was thinking the tremolo springs were pulling back against the string being bent. Technically, they are, but springs are easier to stretch than a solid piece of wood.
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Re: Strings are too tight and sound muffled on Lo Pro Edge

Wow, thanks to everyone who chimed in and wrote these information! After spending some more time with this guitar I'm slowly getting used to it. For now, I set the guitar to dive only mode with Tremol-No and just use it very occasionally. Whenever I'm restringing the guitar, I always block it with Tremol-No and a coin block I made myself. It feels perfectly normal and sounds killer now.

However I'd like to add that the initial low string I set it up with was still very tight. But since that was my first experience with setting up a 7 string FR, I might have done something wrong and didn't know it.

For now I'll stick with this 7620 and make some music with it.
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