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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-10-2010, 12:48 AM Thread Starter
 
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Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

Hi

I would greatly appreciate any information on the following.

How flat would you say a radius would need to be in order to do bends without fretting out if the action is set to 2 or 3/64ths range like Allan Holdsworth's action?
This would be on a totally straight neck with no relief.

Holdsworth is currently using 25" radius which is really flat but doesn't do much bending
Would a 16" radius with a good Plek job be good enough for Holdsworth type action or would 20" radius or higher be better?

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-10-2010, 05:25 AM
 
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

with that action height, a 20" would be better, but if it's Pleked a 16" would probably be enough.
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

With expertly dressed frets this could be done with a 14" radius, so I believe you could easily achieve your desired results with a Pleked 16". I suggest a slight bit of relief for such low action to allow for string vibration and to avoid any unwanted fret noise.

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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

Has anyone tried to see where the threshold is roughly? How much does a 20" feel different from 16" or 17"?

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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-14-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

My Nocturne sigs are all 14 radius and I usually run what I consider a micro action.. but I have a really light attack and other buzz all over the place when they place my stuff.. iirc, isn't the Shawn Lane Vigier somewhere around a 20? I remember playing one of those when I met with Peter Diezel to go through some of his amps and it was EXTREMEMLY flat.
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

Hehe, swawn lane vigier is actually flat (infinite) radius.
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

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Hehe, swawn lane vigier is actually flat (infinite) radius.
Does anyone know of any other guitars flatter than 17" other than the Holdsworth and Vigier?

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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

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Does anyone know of any other guitars flatter than 17" other than the Holdsworth and Vigier?

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Nothing in production from what I have been able to find, and believe me I've looked quite a bit. It baffles me that there isn't a bigger market for flat fretboards. I like the idea and love to try it out.
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post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-18-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

It honestly surprises me that people even want their action to be THAT low. I mean, beyond a certain point lowering action just becomes an exercise in pointless futility and it ends up killing your tone completely. Unless you're doing HUGE bends I think 16 is more than low enough.
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Re: Super Low Action on 16" or 20" radius with no neck relief?

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It honestly surprises me that people even want their action to be THAT low. I mean, beyond a certain point lowering action just becomes an exercise in pointless futility and it ends up killing your tone completely. Unless you're doing HUGE bends I think 16 is more than low enough.
Depends how one plays. Holdsworth and Lane have/had great tone and play differently from most where the action is very functional to that sound.
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