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post #1 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-28-2010, 05:35 PM Thread Starter
 
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Tremolo knife edge longevity?

So I've just got, not only my first Ibanez, but my first guitar with a tremolo. I'm worried about the longevity of the knife edge and/or the posts. Being a bit of a perfectionist (at least in some areas...), the thought of the construction being worked here makes me slightly uneasy. The guitar has the Edge Zero tremolo.

Thus I wonder if there's anything I can do to make sure the knife/post contact points have the very best working conditions. E.g. does anybody lubricate them, is it a good idea to avoid the more extreme bending angles, etc.?

I might well be worrying over nothing, but hey, I just want my pretty new axe to stay pretty and new forever if I can help it

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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

i put some Big Bends Nut Lube on mine about once or twice a year. No reason to over lubricate, but a little will decrease the friction between stud and knife, which will decrease the wear. Some people recommend chapstick. I do not because it tends to clump up and collect dirt.
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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

If it's clumping you're not putting it on right.

Anything that isn't a dry powder / graphite will collect dirt, there's no way to avoid it.

Any grease with PTFE resin works fine, I prefer the Chapstick, but you can use a thin machine oil like the factory does if you want.
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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

Thanks for the replies! Lubrication it is then

Lets' see what I've got at hand... some Traxxas lithium grease, Finish Line (Dry) Teflon Plus spray, Turtle Wax Silicone spray and plain old WD-40. Which one should I choose? I don't mind having to clean the edges and posts and reapply lube a couple of times a year.

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Chap-stick, it doesn't run and it works amazingly well. It works even if you get it wet from sweat, beer, or whatever. Anyone whos gigged many nights in a bar band has surely gotten beer on them at one time or another :P.
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After a bit of research I've decided to use lithium grease. It has many properties that should make it pretty much the ideal lubricant for the tremolo edge/post contact points.

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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

being its yr first guitar with a trem then the most important advice i think you can have as regarding the knife edges and posts is to NEVER adjust the action under normal string tension, this will leave slit marks on the posts and/or ruin the smooth knife edges which ultimatley will leave you with tuning problems when functioning the trem due to cut marks. Might be obvious but its unbelievable how many people who do this and ruin trems, and then they complain that when they depress the trem and resits they complain the guitar goes out of tune,,,,,,,just thought its worth a mention.
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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

That might be good advice for MIK or MII but you can ignore it for MIJ. And even though the EZ is actually Chinese built, the studs and knives have a higher Rockwell grade than the Edge Pro did. Feel free to adjust as the manual tell you to, at full pitch.
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That might be good advice for MIK or MII but you can ignore it for MIJ. And even though the EZ is actually Chinese built, the studs and knives have a higher Rockwell grade than the Edge Pro did. Feel free to adjust as the manual tell you to, at full pitch.

sorry, yu cant justify it by saying feel free as the manual says so.yes its true that higher grade trems have superior quality in materials BUT from personal experiance there is neary 100lb of pressure there and have wittnessed even OFR's get ruined by doing this over a period of time.

here is the proper way, and pay particular attention to section 2!!!

http://knol.google.com/k/maintaining...n-your-guitar#
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Sorry, yes I can justify it. I have more personal experience than anybody else you or I know with the Ibanez trems, and I could really care less about what knol? says on the subject
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Sorry, yes I can justify it. I have more personal experience than anybody else you or I know with the Ibanez trems, and I could really care less about what knol? says on the subject
based on your answer i beg to differ, but if you can kindly tell me that turning a post around under full tension doesnt wear the post or especially the knife edge then ill gladly take yr advise.

ALSO IT DOES SAY on the user manual to losen all strings before adjusting trem height lol

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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

If you care to waste litteraly WEEKS of time making a 10 second adjustment into a minimum 2 minutes, multiplied over the life of the instrument, against possibly having to spend $24 to replace the studs 20 years form now, then you be my guest and be as careful and as anal as you wish, which is plain idiotic IMO, but, to each his own.

Turning a stud creates no more wear on the knife than beating the arm up and down, especially on a lubed stud.
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If you care to waste litteraly WEEKS of time making a 10 second adjustment into a minimum 2 minutes, multiplied over the life of the instrument, against possibly having to spend $24 to replace the studs 20 years form now, then you be my guest and be as careful and as anal as you wish, which is plain idiotic IMO, but, to each his own.

Turning a stud creates no more wear on the knife than beating the arm up and down, especially on a lubed stud.

yes it does lmao, yr really clueless....a knife edge is bevelled top and bottom making up and down movements smooth,,,,,side to side not so...please stop giving bad advise!!!!! i can hear yr guitar bridges grating with what u do from here :-p

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Re: Tremolo knife edge longevity?

LOL the knife edge it actually very square and sharp on the top and bottom edges, it is not rounded at all, until I round them. Please get a clue.

If you want to waste your time for no reason be my guest. I could care less what you do. Just don't tell people not to do it the way Ibanez [and I] recomend you do it
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LOL the knife edge it actually very square and sharp on the top and bottom edges, it is not rounded at all, until I round them. Please get a clue.

If you want to waste your time for no reason be my guest. I could care less what you do. Just don't tell people not to do it the way Ibanez [and I] recomend you do it


geeeeeeze.....ok, heres the manual for the OP on edge trems... and it says what im saying(take the tension out before adjusting). read it for yourself..

http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/parts/edge_manual.pdf

and as for getting a clue, you have totaly missed the point on the word "BEVEL".. i was not even on about the contact point!!! lol its the bevel thats above it,so when you depress the trem it sits into the fold(hence smooth!!!)....
but i guessed youd miss the point from previous dribble
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