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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-21-2003, 03:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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Experiences requested

Hi folks,
Sweeping. there's a milion topics on the technique, but I'm curious about something else. I'm currently learning blue powder, and I've been working all day on the first sweep run. Now, I haven't mastered sweeping yet, so I took it as the challenge to learn sweeping. After a couple of hours of workout, I can play it now at 1/3 of the speed (yay... )
I'm confident however, that if I spend a few days more on it, I'll be flailing away. By the way, it's a sweep pattern that starts from string 5 to 1, back to 4, up to 1 again some slides in between and a couple of notes on the same string, so it's big and fun. I'm learning it with a metronome.
I'm curious tho, once I've got this one nailed, will I need to spend the same amount of time getting other patterns down? God, I hope not, because then it would mean a lot of time to get one song down...
So for the experenced sweepers out there, does it get easier after a while to nail another pattern?
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-21-2003, 03:19 PM
 
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I wouldn't call myself an experienced sweeper, but it's something I'm also working on at the moment.
It's more the connection between the left and right hand that takes work than the individual patterns. I'm sure you'll find the other patterns take you a fraction of the time to get down.
Good luck.
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post #3 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-21-2003, 03:26 PM Thread Starter
 
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Oh, the connection is there. It's solid and clean.
It's just slow at the moment, the left hand fingers need to learn to be able to move that quickly. The mistakes I make are wrong notes, not the wrong string picked, when I push the speed. Left hand feels somewhat instable/insecure, you know?
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post #4 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-21-2003, 04:20 PM
 
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Good job on the heavy practicing , thats the key to success , I'd however suggest doing easier sweeps first , maybe triads or something before doing blue powder.

This was one of my first sweep workouts I done , this helped me out big time! , its a vinnie Moore workout , its basically arpeggios cycled through the harmonised scale , once you've got this down sweeping these arpeggios other ones you see in songs will be much much easier for you , if you choose to practice it anyway , and you'll be able to sight read pieces with these arpeggios in from it , this is still a part of my integral warm up everyday :

sweep this in the order they are written , starting with a metronome on a slowish tempo and working your way up gradually


D Maj
---------------2---5 | 5- 2-----------------------------------
-----------3---------------- 3---------------------------------
--------2-----------------------2-----------------------------
-----4-----------------------------4--------------------------
-5------------------------------------5-----------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------

E Min
-------------3-7 |-7-3-------------------------------------------
----------5-------------5-----------------------------------------
-------4-------------------4--------------------------------------
----5-------------------------5-----------------------------------
-7-------------------------------7--------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------
F#min
---------------5-9-| 9- 5------------------------------------
------------7------------- 7----------------------------------
---------6------------------- 6-------------------------------
------7------------------------- 7----------------------------
---9------------------------------- 9-------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------
G Maj
---------------7-10-| 10-7------------------------------------
------------8----------------8----------------------------------
---------7---------------------7--------------------------------
------9--------------------------9------------------------------
--10-------------------------------10---------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------
A Maj
-----------------9-12 | 12-9-------------------------------------
-------------10---------------10---------------------------------
----------9-----------------------9-------------------------------
------11----------------------------11---------------------------
--12------------------------------------12-----------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Bmin

----------------------10-14 | 14 10------------------------------
------------------12-------------------12-------------------------
--------------11---------------------------11---------------------
----------12-----------------------------------12-----------------
------14-------------------------------------------14--------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
C#Dim
------------------12-15-| 15-12---------------------------------
--------------14------------------14------------------------------
----------12--------------------------12--------------------------
------14----------------------------------14----------------------
--16------------------------------------------16------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------




This is one of the workouts i used when i got into arpeggio playing / sweep picking , set your self exercises ,for example

1 . Down up each arp
2. Up down each arp
3. Up one down next
4. Down one up next.

Then try repeat all of those steps but sequence them in 3s.

Good luck
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post #5 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-22-2003, 05:44 AM
 
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just my 2p but i think the secret to sweeping is the notes you don't play. When I started out i made a point of going absurdly slowly, not only to practice timing, but so that I could make sure any other string noise was muted. I always found that getting downward sweeps in time was always harder than sweeping upward .

anyway good luck with blue powder thats a beast of a song. If youre looking for more sweepy stuff have a look at some of frank gambale's (the original sweep goblin) stuff
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post #6 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-22-2003, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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I think that rings true to me. The part I'm currently learning is the very first fast run in the song. If you look at the DVD, he plays it live very diffrent than notated, with less notes I think, while it still sounds terrific. Unfortunally, it's to fast to see what he's doing..
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post #7 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-22-2003, 01:45 PM
 
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I have a really good Blue powder tab in Guitar pro format if you want it. Useful as you can slow parts down to as whatever speed you want.
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post #8 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-22-2003, 04:54 PM Thread Starter
 
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Oh yeah, defenitly interested. If you could give it a swing at [email protected], that'd be great!
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post #9 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-23-2003, 08:46 AM
 
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on the dvd it looks like he legatos the sweep part
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post #10 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-23-2003, 09:14 AM
 
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If this is the new dvd were on about then he just does it in a differnt position (hell of a lot easier) , normally on tabs its notated so that the first part of the sweep (basic a minor chord shape) is starts on fret 17 on the low e string and the sweep revolves around there. I worked out an easier, and better imo way of playing it



------------------8--12-/-17p14---------------------------14--17b^-------
-------------10---------------------15------------------15----
---------9-------------------------------14---------16----------
-7/10--------------------------------------14--17-----------------
---------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------


Bsically i find it ten times easier playing it like that (or with any other position of aminor) than the usual way its tabed out.

In relation to your question, sweeping generally gets easy once youve master things, obviously on each piece you learn youll have to practice it but over time it should become easier as youve already got the skills
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post #11 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-23-2003, 02:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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That's what I did, I play it starting from b on the fifth string. Starting on b on the sixth is just way to uncomfertable for me to play, and looking at the DVD, he's nowhere near that fret.

Anyway, the workout has payed off, I'm getting there.. I've got hours of work in it, but I'm blazing thru it right now, and it feels just great.
I want more, so next up is the next fast run, which is almost completely picked. Another challenge.. This will be a lot easier tho.
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